You seem to be a fan of EVs. What would you think of an electric Lambo?....minus the classic engine-snarl that Lambos and Ferraris are famous for.

 

Will there ever come a day when a self driving Lambo can beat the human driving one at Monaco? Indy?
Hmmm

 

I get his point, but would've worded it differently. It's the same 1/4th or 0-60 benchmark that's existed for decades-- the race hasn't changed. Considering the addition of launch control, DCTs, AWD, bigger displacement engines, forced induction, etc. in order to improve speed, it's pretty disingenuous to consider "max torque right away" as "moving the goalpost".

Now if they're going to sacrifice many of those things, in order to bring "purity" back to driving, then I really wonder which direction they're going to move (no pun), in order to improve and market lateral acceleration. If anything, I feel like there's going to be a lot more competition in that arena, since it's not only subjective, but your new competition may also include something like a spec-Miata around an autocross, which is as accessible in the drivability/handling world, as EVs are to responsiveness/acceleration. In other words, the objective/exclusive points of a supercar seem like they're going to be diminished, either way.

 

You guys are forgetting all about the KINGS of the super car world are all motor/turbos, no electricity....Mclaren 720s and , Mclaren 765lt. EVs aren't even close. If mclaren can do it, so can Lamborghini.

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Well, that's the main purpose of this thread.....to show that yesterday's Kings of the supercar world will not necessarily be tomorrow's kings. Like it or not, the days of all-out speed being the main factor are numbered.

 

Fun to drive and EV are mutually exclusive. They all feel the exact same to drive just the number on the dash increases more quickly in some cars vs others, there is no individuality to them at all and no aural or felt/vibrational engagement whatsoever.


Cheaper, faster, can track it without overheating, and actually has emotion to it oh and most importantly you can actually make it better yourself. You will never see an electric car in its first year see the kind of performance increases and outright top performance real cars always see.

Electrics are boringly simple, you already know exactly how fast it will be at least for one run once you know the cell volts/amps/discharge heat and the limits of the motor. There is no art to their driveline at all, just plug in the output and heat resilience of the pack and what the max current the motors can handle times wheel torque plus the weight of the car and you have nearly exactly what will happen. You can't improve the performance past what the motor can take without arcing it/frying it and discharge rate/heat is always limited by cell tech and cooling that is not something an end user can easily change unless they are willing to create their own controller can bypass the factory system for the driveline.

Every electric "performance" build I have seen is just stripping out as much of the weight as possible since that's the only thing you really can do. Try and make the pack smaller and you run into thermal density issues if you maintain the discharge rate, that then leads to the problem of cooling it and you can't easily as of right now run coolant though the battery pack to the point it can stop individual cells from hitting the critical point. There are many issues with it and at the end of the day an ICE is simply a far more power dense device that can unleash its ability far more quickly and sustained longer. A car using ICE will be lighter and have better dynamics in every situation possible as well as a hell of a lot more power for the weight and the ability to keep running for hours and hours at a time if wanted.

 

i think it's inevitable first of all. maybe there will be a mode where fake lambo engine sound will be made.

and i think it will be great, just like the porsche taycan is great.

as with all things there will be naysayers and those who say they will "never" get an EV.

understand your pov, and while ev's will never be 'analog' like most ICE cars not to mention greasy, oily, and noisy, they're still evolving, and rapidly. while they may always be boring to you, there's no doubt in my mind that an ice car will become more novelty and nostalgia over time (like old ice cars are today). a lot of supercars have at least gone hybrid, with excellent results. good luck modifying one of those drivetrains, too... very complex and expensive. but ice cars will always have some amount of a following for the noise, quirkiness, 'character', etc. they're not going away.

in 20 years we may see a formula one race including gas, hybrid, and full electric cars, some without drivers! it will be wild.

 

You are right, EVs are exceedingly simple. Its exceedingly simple to make an EV fast and the only limit is how much power the battery can output as inverters and permanent magnet motors are simple to manufacture. But thats Lambo's point. You can build an exceedingly fast and simple family hauler than can do the quarter mile in less than 9s for not that much more than a slower 13s quarter mile car because all it takes is an extra motor in the rear and a stronger inverter with a different suspension and doesn't really impact efficiency unlike ICE where adding more power is detrimental to efficiency. How much effort will it take Lambo to get to the same results? Its much more difficult and costly for ICE to get there.

Conversely, its much more difficult for EVs to be lighter and better handlers so of course Lambo will focus on those metrics as the speed game already has diminishing returns. Nobody is arguing that the highest end ICE can generate more power. But matching specs with an EV is a fruitless exercise.

 

Different strokes for different people - it's as simple as that.

I had a "noisy, aural, smelly, vibrationally engaging" car and I don't miss it now that I have a powerful and incredibly smooth EV with none of those traits and absolutely love it!

 

I went from an EV to a gasoline car and I really miss the EV quietness, smoothness and torque!

Maybe Lamborghini is going to release an EV that handles really well?

 

A very old magazine came today. 1970 C & D.

I thought it was quite relevant to this thread and made me remember it