The ban on ICE is a little too much though. I think they should just excessively tax ICE at some point so it gives consumers a choice. The affluent can then have their V8s because they can afford it.

 

Do you even realize how ridiculous and contradicting this statement is? Attitudes as such is exactly why many people resent EVs and their owners. This being said, the US and other Western governments love to implement self destructive policies. It's fun to watch the society slowly implode.

 

Let the consumer decide no need for selective taxes and incentives.

 

why is it too much?

 

At some point being when majority of sales are EV. Not ridiculous at all. At least you get a chance to own an ICE vs outright ban. It's ridiculous that people think they can keep burning fossil fuels forever without ramifications. It's finally transitioning which is a GOOD thing.

 

Where do you think electricity comes from? In the US about 80% comes from burning fossils and nuclear, and only 20% is "renewable", out of which almost 10% is hydro. Anyone who thinks we can just stop burning fossils is completely divorced from reality.

 

That is a troubling and often dangerous way to go about things, especially when it comes to govt.

Maybe it shouldn't be forced if the population does not want it or is not ready for it.

 

Natural gas plants are much cleaner than combustion engines. Coal is smaller than natural gas and getting smaller each year. Renewables are also growing rapidly.it's a weak argument to say that the way it is now will remain in 10-20 years.

 

Its ridiculous to think countries/govt. needs to force EV's on the populations when they don't solve really anything, ban ICE/burning fossil fuels and they can't be utilized in someway for a very long time along with options of other energy means.

It is ridiculous to think nickel, lithium, sodium, etc massive strip mining can go on forever or be implemented without ramifications.

Where do you think the energy comes from to charge all these big batteries? The vast majority of it is not renewable nor is it possible to provide the energy needs to most of the developed world through renewables, renewables still need non renewables to back them up when they fail, energy demands are too high. There is also no way you are replacing ICE engines in ships, boats, 18 wheelers, military vehicles, aircraft which are the biggest polluters with EV's for a very long time, it would be way too complicated and way too expensive, most trucking companies have such small profit margins with their current fleet and paying drivers less and less.

 

It's a lot more complex than that, anyone with any common sense realizes that "renewable energy" is non sustainable horsesht, but the government invests billions into it, and I would gladly parrot this nonsense in exchange for a piece of the pie. But people who are naive to honestly believe in it are going to suffer under their own delusions.

 

I was just referencing passenger cars as the ban only pertains to them. Have to start somewhere. Any transition will cause some pain but at least EV passenger cars are viable. Better than sticking our heads in the sand and doing nothing

 

Why do you have to start somewhere in regards to forced EV implementation/banning ICE? Why does there need to be pain? Some people have this delusion about EV's like they are miracles of engineering and solve so many problems when they don't. The treat them like they run on water or can float/fly and are such a positive revolution when they simply aren't.

Why do passenger cars that aren't the big polluters and the general population that buys them have to get punished with bans/fines/penalties/forced into EV's?

There is just no need to do it especially so quickly, this focus on EVs is really a more political agenda about power, money, control, and trying to convince the public something is being done or politicians/govt is more useful then it is when there are other far greater problems they need to and should address that they won't, can't, or don't want to.

 

We simply disagree on this. Any transition away from fossil fuels is a must and it's a good time to start than any other time. The other issues will arise and eventually be solved over time like any other issues humanity has faced. Sure it's also a power struggle at the highest levels but I see this transition as a net benefit.

 

Agree, the transition to EV from ICE is inevitable

 

Just as the transition from horse drawn carriages were to ICE vehicles over a century ago 😁