RNM GS3

Where did you get your this info?
Their brands all run separate operations in US and other parts of the world.
VW does not tell Lambo, Bugatti, Porsche how to run their business, dealers etc.
Again they are managed completely different from the Toyota/Lexus model.

SW17LS

Just because they have separate operations (Lexus does also, BTW) doesnt mean that VW as the parent company has no input on their operations. They absolutely do.

RNM GS3

They absolutely don’t - again please read and research how the various brands operate.

You must know Porsche actually controls majority of voting rights in VW Group? 🤷‍♂️

Lexus is a wholly owned subsidiary of Toyota Motor Company. They have Zero control over what Toyota allows them to do.

There is a famous scene in Ford v Ferrari movie. Ford makes proposal to buy Ferrari. Enzo Ferrari asks Ford if we want to go to 24 Hours of LeMans and Ford says no - what will happen? Ford says our decision is final. Ferrari went to Fiat and obviously retained all control of its operations.

SW17LS

Its more complicated than that. The Porsche family in the form of Porsche SE controls the majority of the voting rights, not Porsche the car brand as you imply. You have to separate the brand, the people, and the parent company.

Volkswagen is a car brand, but the company that owns both Volkswagen and Porsche (and all the other brands) is called Volkswagen AG. The point is that all of these individual brands are not out there operating on their own as if they are independent companies. Volkswagen AG absolutely has a say in what happens at every one of those brands.

And Porsche is a wholly owned subsidiary of Volkswagen AG.

And Lexus operations are indeed separate from Toyota, have been since around 2010. Obviously the relationship is different than Porsche to Volkswagen, nobody is saying it isn't.

Toys4RJill

VW group of America is subsidiary of VW Germany. VW group of America runs all the brands in the US.



Just like Toyota USA runs Lexus USA in the United States.

Toys4RJill

Lexus reports to parent Toyota Japan.

SW17LS

Yep, as Porsche and Volkswagen report to Volkswagen AG. Porsche has a lot more autonomy than Lexus does though, the relationship is different. But, to say VW AG has NO involvement in Porsche or Audi or whatever is just not true.

Toys4RJill

I agree. However, parent company VW tells Porsche to develop a Taycan as well well as a Audi E GT. No different than VW instructing Porsche to develop a Cayenne SUV alongside the VW Tourag and no different than VW telling Audi to develop a A8 with a VW Phateon in my mind. It all comes from one top official.

VW USA has input of what they would like to see sent to North America. But the engineering, chassis etc is mostly approved out of Germany.

I believe most of the US VW stuff were designed for North America in mind. Atlas, Jetta and the Passat are most made and marketed just for the USA. Just like Sequoia and Tacoma and Tundra....that is the weak part of VW and somewhat the same for the USA designed Toyota’s.

mmarshall

VW and Audi obviously share at least some common platforms and drivetrains.

Toys4RJill

‘So does Porsche. So does Bentley.

RNM GS3

Lots of info above is incorrect.
Please take time to research, read or speak to ppl in the industry.

VW Group doesn’t tell Bugatti, Lambo, Bentley etc how to run their business at all. They also have many other brands under the umbrella also.

Porsche controls the board of VW group and really is the pioneer of the EV tech that you see in Taycan and that will trickle down. VW didn’t tell Porsche to develop Taycan lol - have you heard of the 918 😆. If you follow anything about Porsche- they have been the pioneers in EV/hybrid race cars for years now!

These companies are run independently and therefore are able to be completely distinctive in everything they do and the clients they cater to.

There are strategic partnerships to share components / engines / platforms but nobody tells Porsche how to develop the GT3 or to Bugatti how to market the Chiron! Again this is NOT Toyota/Lexus where Lexus begs Toyoda for F car or if GS can survive.

SW17LS

I have done the research. I spent about an hour reading up on all the organizational relationships.

The bottom line is at the end of the day, all the subsidiaries answer to VWAG.

Toys4RJill

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RNM GS3

That is the Corporate structure - yes.
Many reasons / benefits for why there is a parent holding company.
There are many differences how each subsidiary is managed and run under that corporate structure.
This is not unique to VW group which also has brands like Ducati, VW trucks, SEAT etc. FCA/Stellantis is similar in automotive space. They don’t control how Ferrari will spend their money or what next model the will have.

It is also vastly different from the setup Toyota has with Lexus which is wholly owned subsidiary. Porsche not only controls the board but also is the largest owner of VW group.

SW17LS

Then we agree