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Old 04-07-21, 11:45 AM
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Tiger Woods was speeding when he crashed his sport-utility vehicle in February, reaching speeds of more than 80 m.p.h. in a 45 m.p.h. zone on winding road near Los Angeles, according to Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva.

Villanueva said Woods was traveling between 84 and 87 miles per hour when he lost control, crossing over a median and hitting the curb on the opposite of the road. The vehicle struck a tree at an estimated 75 m.p.h. and was sent airborne, eventually stopping in some brush.

“The primary causal factor for this traffic collision was driving at a speed unsafe for the road conditions and the inability to negotiate the curve of the roadway,” said Villanueva.

Woods was not cited for driving too fast and no criminal charges will be filed, Villanueva said. He added that there were no signs of impairment or intoxication, and that Woods was wearing his seatbelt.
The captain of the Lomita Sheriff’s Station, James Powers, said that data was obtained from the vehicle’s event data recorder, known colloquially as the black box. The data showed that Woods had hit the accelerator throughout the crash, and that the pressure applied to the pedal was 99 percent. Powers said he believed that Woods inadvertently hit the accelerator while trying to brake.
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Old 04-07-21, 12:10 PM
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Thanks for the update.

I don't buy the Mistake-Accelerator-for-Brake story. If one cannot figure out that they have hit the wrong pedal before accelerating from 45 to 85 MPH (a BIG gap), something is wrong.

I don't know about California law, but, in my state, that would get him an automatic Reckless Driving charge.....a serious offense.

As to why they don't want to file any charges, I won't speculate....could be anything from the fact that he is a celebrity to the fact that he's already suffered in the hospital (with his injuries) to even political reasons.
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I'd wager Wood's intentionally accelerated hard for the several seconds it takes to go from 45 to 85, just to see what the acceleration felt like on the new GV80. Unfortunately by the time he got to 85mph a curve came up that was too hard to negotiate. He deserves at least a speeding ticket.
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^^^ Based on what? The black box data? If so, that sort of sets a precedent and opens up a dangerous can of worms, IMO.
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^^^ Based on what? The black box data? If so, that sort of sets a precedent and opens up a dangerous can of worms, IMO.
Just viewing the scene is enough to support a "driving too fast for conditions" charge. You don't have to prove that he was going 87mph.
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At those speeds, he's lucky to have lived.
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It was said he was running late for something and at times was reportedly driving as fast as 87. Perhaps that reportedly was from data inside the car?
But it sounds like dude got in a hurry and just wiped out.

I know there are times I run my cruise control so I won't drive faster than I realize. With todays smooth rolling tires and quiet cabs it's easy to be running way over the speed limit without realizing it.

Get well soon Tiger

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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I'd wager Wood's intentionally accelerated hard for the several seconds it takes to go from 45 to 85, just to see what the acceleration felt like on the new GV80. Unfortunately by the time he got to 85mph a curve came up that was too hard to negotiate. He deserves at least a speeding ticket.
don't agree with that. i find it very suspicious if he had the accelerator at "99%" throughout the crash! here's my guess... he fell asleep and when he woke up at risk he went to hit the brake and in his drowsiness he his the gas and went flying off the road.

i suspect we will never really know what happened beyond what we've just learned (going too fast, foot on gas, crashed).

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At those speeds, he's lucky to have lived.
absolutely!

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I know there are times I run my cruise control so I won't drive faster than I realize. With todays smooth rolling tires and quiet cabs it's easy to be running way over the speed limit without realizing it.
Get well soon Tiger
agreed on both points.
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Originally Posted by 92 SC400
^^^ Based on what? The black box data? If so, that sort of sets a precedent and opens up a dangerous can of worms, IMO.
not sure what you mean... the black box does record at least the last 30 seconds of driving data and potentially a lot more. with so many sensors and controls on cars, that can provide a ton of context.

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i thought the authorities said they couldn't release anything about the crash?
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
not sure what you mean... the black box does record at least the last 30 seconds of driving data and potentially a lot more. with so many sensors and controls on cars, that can provide a ton of context.
The "a lot more" part I think is what concerns me a little. Depending on much history there on someone's personal car, and authorities use that to assess citations, fault, etc. someone could be judged more harshly - especially in "he said, she said" cases. Also, feels like that could open up the automakers to some degree if people start blaming the accuracy of the black box data.

How would you know the wheels weren't spinning at 87MPH while pinned against the tree?

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i thought the authorities said they couldn't release anything about the crash?
The few things I read said they couldn't without consent from Tiger's people. Maybe they agreed because it's better PR to let the reason be known rather than let the media/people speculate...?

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Originally Posted by 92 SC400
The "a lot more" part I think is what concerns me a little. Depending on much history there on someone's personal car, and authorities use that to assess citations, fault, etc. someone could be judged more harshly - especially in "he said, she said" cases.
i'd rather have data available than rely on what a person says "oh no office, i wasn't speeding" of course sometimes they have skidmarks etc to go on, but i'm absolutely fine with car data being used and this is nothing new, it's been used for accident forensics for many years now.

Also, feels like that could open up the automakers to some degree if people start blaming the accuracy of the black box data.
not likely i would say.

How would you know the wheels weren't spinning at 87MPH while pinned against the tree?
because there's gps data for one thing showing the car was MOVING or not. plus for all 4 wheels to be spinning at 87mph while the car is pinned against a tree would be quite a feat.

The few things I read said they couldn't without consent from Tiger's people. Maybe they agreed because it's better PR to let the reason be known rather than let the media/people speculate...?
makes sense.

i feel bad for tiger, unbelievable golfer, and smart guy generally, but should let someone else drive!!!! or hell, a helicopter! all that money and he has to do something like that.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
don't agree with that. i find it very suspicious if he had the accelerator at "99%" throughout the crash! here's my guess... he fell asleep and when he woke up at risk he went to hit the brake and in his drowsiness he his the gas and went flying off the road.

i suspect we will never really know what happened beyond what we've just learned (going too fast, foot on gas, crashed).
I agree he was either sleeping or was on his phone - mashed the wrong pedal.
The guy is on a bunch of pain killers and other sleep medicine.

Given his history - I think there should have been some type of penalty.

Hopefully he can recover and play golf again to some degree.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Thanks for the update.

I don't buy the Mistake-Accelerator-for-Brake story. If one cannot figure out that they have hit the wrong pedal before accelerating from 45 to 85 MPH (a BIG gap), something is wrong.

I don't know about California law, but, in my state, that would get him an automatic Reckless Driving charge.....a serious offense.

As to why they don't want to file any charges, I won't speculate....could be anything from the fact that he is a celebrity to the fact that he's already suffered in the hospital (with his injuries) to even political reasons.
I don't think anyone thinks that TW didn't know which pedal was which. But in a panic situation, any person could intend to hit the brake and accidentally hit the gas. Which could easily be described by the shorthand "inadvertently" hit the accelerator for the brake.
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I'd wager Wood's intentionally accelerated hard for the several seconds it takes to go from 45 to 85, just to see what the acceleration felt like on the new GV80. Unfortunately by the time he got to 85mph a curve came up that was too hard to negotiate. He deserves at least a speeding ticket.
Yep. This is, by far, the simplest and most probable explanation for me too.
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