Lease Payoff Total Loss Question
04-12-21, 06:15 PM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
That’s just not how it works. You don’t own the car, LFS does. So the payment from the insurance goes to LFS, not to you. You have prepaid rent in order to use the car for a fixed period of time. The accounting there is not that simple.
This is not unique to Lexus or LFS. It would work the same way regardless of what brand of car was leased.
This is not unique to Lexus or LFS. It would work the same way regardless of what brand of car was leased.
04-12-21, 06:22 PM
#17
That’s just not how it works. You don’t own the car, LFS does. So the payment from the insurance goes to LFS, not to you. You have prepaid rent in order to use the car for a fixed period of time. The accounting there is not that simple.
This is not unique to Lexus or LFS. It would work the same way regardless of what brand of car was leased.
This is not unique to Lexus or LFS. It would work the same way regardless of what brand of car was leased.
04-12-21, 06:24 PM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
Your experience during hurricane sandy may have been unique. That was a situation where they were processing a huge amount of total losses and perhaps they were simply avoiding the accounting process of sending money back to people.
04-12-21, 06:41 PM
#19
Could be, but it actually worked out nicely for me, at least as far as the BMW was concerned. It was due for return in exactly a month, and I would either have to buy it out or just return it. This way my insurance paid off BMW and gave me a nice $5k bonus. Of course the amount of other stuff I lost to the damage far exceeded that.
04-13-21, 07:02 AM
#20
Lexus Connoisseur
Guys, I'm in a very confusing situation
I had a 2021 RX450h that was a total loss even before I got the plates
I did a one time lease pay of ~25k$. Car was 65k$. Residual is around 35k$
LFS wants the full 65k$ from my insurance company, and then over payment will be sent to me after two weeks
Insurance company says this is a little odd
Why wouldn't LFS just take the 35k$ residual value? They said if all I send is the payoff/residual value - they won't release the title
I had a 2021 RX450h that was a total loss even before I got the plates
I did a one time lease pay of ~25k$. Car was 65k$. Residual is around 35k$
LFS wants the full 65k$ from my insurance company, and then over payment will be sent to me after two weeks
Insurance company says this is a little odd
Why wouldn't LFS just take the 35k$ residual value? They said if all I send is the payoff/residual value - they won't release the title
04-13-21, 07:10 AM
#21
Lexus Connoisseur
Depends on one's situation. In Texas, LFS offers tax credits on one-pay leases up to 36 months. If you end up buying the car for the residual value after the one-pay lease, you still make out not having to pay the full sales tax on the entire amount of the car.
04-13-21, 07:12 AM
#22
Lexus Fanatic
There are benefits to one pay leases for sure, but IMO theyre not worth the downside. My money invested makes up for any cost savings of a one pay lease and in the event the car is a total loss...I just stop paying.
04-13-21, 07:30 AM
#23
Lexus Connoisseur
Not to take away from this thread, but some may think putting all your eggs in one basket on one depreciating asset is a risk. I think paying cash for any new car is silly, but that's just my opinion. I would prefer doing a one-pay lease (with tax incentive and lease cash rebates), and put the other half on a high yield account of some sort.
04-13-21, 07:32 AM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
Not to take away from this thread, but some may think putting all your eggs in one basket on one depreciating asset is a risk. I think paying cash for any new car is silly, but that's just my opinion. I would prefer doing a one-pay lease (with tax incentive and lease cash rebates), and put the other half on a high yield account of some sort.
04-13-21, 08:04 AM
#25
Lexus Connoisseur
My insurance company finds it very odd that LFS wants the full settlement amount, not the payoff / residual amount. I thought it'd be a similar situation as yours @Och - especially considering with a one time lease payment I have no more payments to do
I worked in auto insurance for a good portion of my professional career. They are basically doing anything they can to save money and pay the least amount possible. The discussion of the T/L settlement is between your insurance and the vehicle owner who in this case is LFS.
04-13-21, 08:22 AM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
In more normal economic times, I'd agree, Ryan, particularly if one had a steady job and was not facing the likelihood of a layoff. But interest rates are at record (or near-record) lows, and today's "High-Yield" accounts and funds, by historical standards, are basically a joke. On top of that, if they are not municipal-bond-based, you will be paying either Federal or state-tax (or both) on what little interest you do get.
04-13-21, 09:26 AM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
In more normal economic times, I'd agree, Ryan, particularly if one had a steady job and was not facing the likelihood of a layoff. But interest rates are at record (or near-record) lows, and today's "High-Yield" accounts and funds, by historical standards, are basically a joke. On top of that, if they are not municipal-bond-based, you will be paying either Federal or state-tax (or both) on what little interest you do get.
04-14-21, 10:41 AM
#28
Driver School Candidate
The cost of the vehicle right now is still $65k. It's not the residual $35k, which is the car after I assume 3 years. Thus, Lexus wants $65k for the vehicle not the $35k residual. Unfortunately, the $25k down payment that you paid is to essentially "rent" the vehicle. From my understanding you lose that money, and that's why it's not good to make a large down payment.
04-14-21, 02:45 PM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
The cost of the vehicle right now is still $65k. It's not the residual $35k, which is the car after I assume 3 years. Thus, Lexus wants $65k for the vehicle not the $35k residual. Unfortunately, the $25k down payment that you paid is to essentially "rent" the vehicle. From my understanding you lose that money, and that's why it's not good to make a large down payment.
04-14-21, 04:03 PM
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Odd indeed. Ins policy is an issue. Not your question, but can co consider depreciation of auto so new...maybe so, prob not. Fact is, one sold and yours, it cash value is decreased.
Assuming ins co agrees it owes full cost amt (65K) it most sensible for carrier to pay off debt, and pay you difference. The ticky part is the ins co will want title cert signed both by you, and release of lien by lender.
PERHAPS...idea is for ins co, to release lien, then send title to you to sign to the ins com. and then you get paid.
What you need to understand is: the you, the insurance company and the lender do not all have your offices in the same building, much less the same town or state. Call and talk to both the ins co and the dealer...and when you have clear understanding, email all and be sure to write to proper person, give auto vin, the ins policy number...everyone involved need to be on the same page.
Assuming ins co agrees it owes full cost amt (65K) it most sensible for carrier to pay off debt, and pay you difference. The ticky part is the ins co will want title cert signed both by you, and release of lien by lender.
PERHAPS...idea is for ins co, to release lien, then send title to you to sign to the ins com. and then you get paid.
What you need to understand is: the you, the insurance company and the lender do not all have your offices in the same building, much less the same town or state. Call and talk to both the ins co and the dealer...and when you have clear understanding, email all and be sure to write to proper person, give auto vin, the ins policy number...everyone involved need to be on the same page.