Scotty talks about Tesla’s being green
#62
Pole Position
How dare you bring facts to the table! There appears to be an anti-intellectual bias in discussions like this, and prevalent in all American discourse these days. I appreciated your link and saw value in it, so thanks for sharing!
#64
As long as the YouTube videos are by Scottie Kilmer then - YA!
Fake news is everywhere...is Harvard (of all places) immune?
Fake news is everywhere...is Harvard (of all places) immune?
#65
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
i guess you can understand this drivel from the abstract.
so this "EV Subsidy" is the author's calculated amount that EVs are 'better' for society than ICE cars having 80mpg or 25.4mpg. I think.
is that amount over the life of the vehicle, or per year?
but then the author uses "federal subsidy" instead of EV subsidy which is where it lost me.
and this is more about renewable energy than EVs, i think. Comparing 2016 renewable usage vs if we had 100% renewables somehow.
It's all over the map.
edit: reading further into the 'introduction' it seems comparisons are based on 150K mi. of driving with EV and ICE vehicles.
the introduction is much more readable (to me) than that abstract. again, the piece is mostly about pushing for clean energy PRODUCTION and not as much about EVs themselves.
i personally HATE landscapes littered with giant windmills. this country is literally insane for having abandoned nuclear and made it basically impossible to get a new one put into operation.
france is all nuclear and sells tons of energy to its neighbors too.
This project analyzes the relative benefits of electric vehicles (EV) as compared to their internal combustion engine (ICE) counterparts. Specifically, I contrast the air pollutant related social costs that can be quantified and assigned to each type of vehicle. These costs are based on the externalities (per metric ton) associated with carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, particulate matter, and volatile organic compounds. The difference in social costs is defined as the appropriate EV Subsidy, where a positive EV Subsidy indicates that the social costs for an electric vehicle are less than the social costs for an internal combustion engine vehicle. My research was centered around answering the question: What impact does the percentage of renewable energy have on the appropriate subsidy for an electric vehicle and how does the percentage of renewable energy impact the GHG mitigation potential for electric vehicles? I hypothesized that the negative environmental impact for a 100% renewable energy powered electric vehicle would be lower than the impact from an internal combustion engine vehicle with an efficiency of 80 miles per gallon, that the appropriate federal subsidy for a 100% renewable energy powered electric vehicle would be over $3,000 (when compared to an internal combustion engine vehicle with an efficiency of 25.4 miles per gallon), and that a 100% renewable energy powered electric vehicle would produce 50% fewer greenhouse gas emissions than an internal combustion engine vehicle with an efficiency of 80 miles per gallon.
is that amount over the life of the vehicle, or per year?
but then the author uses "federal subsidy" instead of EV subsidy which is where it lost me.
and this is more about renewable energy than EVs, i think. Comparing 2016 renewable usage vs if we had 100% renewables somehow.
It's all over the map.
edit: reading further into the 'introduction' it seems comparisons are based on 150K mi. of driving with EV and ICE vehicles.
the introduction is much more readable (to me) than that abstract. again, the piece is mostly about pushing for clean energy PRODUCTION and not as much about EVs themselves.
i personally HATE landscapes littered with giant windmills. this country is literally insane for having abandoned nuclear and made it basically impossible to get a new one put into operation.
france is all nuclear and sells tons of energy to its neighbors too.
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#67
Driver School Candidate
I own an old Tesla model S with a lot of miles on it. I also own a NX200T and SC430. For commuting nothing beats an EV. Electricity is cheap here in NC so I get at least 30 miles on $1 of electricity (actual driving, an EV uses electricity when it's not being used so my electricity usage is a little more than that). For trips it depends. If you have to pay for supercharging then a high mpg ICE is the way to go. If you're off the major routes then ICE is most likely better. However, if you happen to have an EV that gets free supercharging then it pays to put up with a little inconvenience. The stops do extend your trip but I have found that it's actually nice to break up a long drive. EV is the future and like him or not, Musk is pushing everyone into the future and not just with EV's. He's pushing cleaner energy which will eventually be cheaper and more abundant.
As for recycling, old Tesla batteries can be used for electrical storage in the battery farms that Tesla builds.
The carbon credits have given Tesla what they need to build themselves into what should be a major automotive company that will pull the old guard into the future. Do you think that the major auto manufactures would be committing to EV's like they are if it wasn't for Tesla?
Scotty is an entertainer that makes a boat load of money. Much of what he says is extremely useful to many people but if you look at his titles they're usually click bait. He's not really a fan of EV's and it shows through his selective use of facts. I watch a lot of his videos. I enjoy them and have learned from them but you have to take his rants with a grain of salt.
BTW, I'm not a tree hugger. I drove one of the early Prius but I had a bumper sticker on it, Drill Baby Drill. I've owned 5 Prius (Priuses Prii whatever the plural is) because they save gas, are comfortable even on long trips, last a looooong time with almost no problems, and they're much larger inside then people think.
As for recycling, old Tesla batteries can be used for electrical storage in the battery farms that Tesla builds.
The carbon credits have given Tesla what they need to build themselves into what should be a major automotive company that will pull the old guard into the future. Do you think that the major auto manufactures would be committing to EV's like they are if it wasn't for Tesla?
Scotty is an entertainer that makes a boat load of money. Much of what he says is extremely useful to many people but if you look at his titles they're usually click bait. He's not really a fan of EV's and it shows through his selective use of facts. I watch a lot of his videos. I enjoy them and have learned from them but you have to take his rants with a grain of salt.
BTW, I'm not a tree hugger. I drove one of the early Prius but I had a bumper sticker on it, Drill Baby Drill. I've owned 5 Prius (Priuses Prii whatever the plural is) because they save gas, are comfortable even on long trips, last a looooong time with almost no problems, and they're much larger inside then people think.
#68
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
mocanu thanks for your great post.
not sure how you could drive various priuses though (especially compared to your other cars), i just found them awful to drive.
not sure how you could drive various priuses though (especially compared to your other cars), i just found them awful to drive.
#69
Lexus Fanatic
BTW, I'm not a tree hugger. I drove one of the early Prius but I had a bumper sticker on it, Drill Baby Drill. I've owned 5 Prius (Priuses Prii whatever the plural is) because they save gas, are comfortable even on long trips, last a looooong time with almost no problems, and they're much larger inside then people think.
#70
Driver School Candidate
The Prius was before my current vehicles and I probably couldn't go back. I did like both the 2nd and 3rd generations of the Prius. I know someone who has 728k miles on their 2nd gen Prius. Two of mine were plug-in and at times I would get over 1000 miles on a tank of gas. That's what really started my desire to go all electric. Finally got a steal of a deal on a used Tesla. Recently purchased the SC430 because I always wanted a hard top convertible. My son has a 2nd gen Prius and my daughter has a 3rd.
I have always wanted to go solar but in NC it just doesn't make any sense. No environmentalist here, as in putting nature before human beings. However, human beings do have a responsibility to take care of our planet. If I remember correctly after 911 the grounding of all flights for just 4 days produced a measurable decrease in pollution. Manufacturing an EV may not be environment friendly but neither is producing an ICE. However, the EV will last longer and produce less pollution than the ICE (even if your electricity comes from coal) and will have no pollution if you're using solar to charge it. One day cars will get much of the energy they use from the solar roof they'll have but that's still a ways away given that our technology isn't efficient enough yet. It's coming and will come faster as more manufactures move to EV's. Musk is helping that to become a reality. You don't have to like the man to be able to respect what he's doing.
I love my Tesla. It's so much fun to drive and it saves on my fuel bill as well as on my maintenance bill. They do have their drawbacks but that should change in time.
Again, Scotty is mostly correct but he's leaving out a lot of facts in order to present what he wants to present. Kind of like what a lot of people like to do!
I have always wanted to go solar but in NC it just doesn't make any sense. No environmentalist here, as in putting nature before human beings. However, human beings do have a responsibility to take care of our planet. If I remember correctly after 911 the grounding of all flights for just 4 days produced a measurable decrease in pollution. Manufacturing an EV may not be environment friendly but neither is producing an ICE. However, the EV will last longer and produce less pollution than the ICE (even if your electricity comes from coal) and will have no pollution if you're using solar to charge it. One day cars will get much of the energy they use from the solar roof they'll have but that's still a ways away given that our technology isn't efficient enough yet. It's coming and will come faster as more manufactures move to EV's. Musk is helping that to become a reality. You don't have to like the man to be able to respect what he's doing.
I love my Tesla. It's so much fun to drive and it saves on my fuel bill as well as on my maintenance bill. They do have their drawbacks but that should change in time.
Again, Scotty is mostly correct but he's leaving out a lot of facts in order to present what he wants to present. Kind of like what a lot of people like to do!
#71
Lexus Fanatic
I had a gen II Prius. Awful car.
I completely disagree that “PC culture” has anything to do with the popularity of Tesla’s.
I completely disagree that “PC culture” has anything to do with the popularity of Tesla’s.
#72
Lexus Fanatic
I'd say the green aspect of Tesla is a bonus not a deciding factor. People love the tech, the look, the speed and of course the efficiency. Prius was a green statement car for sure and it did save billions of gallons of fuel if every vehicle was as efficient auto emissions would be cut in half.
#73
Lexus Test Driver
I'd say the green aspect of Tesla is a bonus not a deciding factor. People love the tech, the look, the speed and of course the efficiency. Prius was a green statement car for sure and it did save billions of gallons of fuel if every vehicle was as efficient auto emissions would be cut in half.
#74
Pole Position
I agree that windmills are ugly. Solar isn't much better. But each form of energy generation has its own ugliness and drawbacks. Pick your poison! Would you want to live next to a nuclear plant after what we've seen happen in Chernobyl and Fukushima?
#75
Pole Position
You can't have it all...ride, comfort, performance, and 50 mpg! My poolcar fleet at work had several gen 1 and 2 Prius cars in it. I hated the gen 1, especially on out of town trips. The gen 2 was a major improvement, but one cannot compare them to non-hybrids. Both the gen 1's and 2's were exceptionally reliable and fuel efficient, making them extremely inexpensive to own and operate. If that's the criteria one's looking for, it's an exceptional (not "awful") car.