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Old 05-01-21 | 08:36 PM
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Default Car and Driver tests Tesla's autopilot

Posting the link below and the tl;dr concluding final paragraph here:

With the features the Full Self-Driving package offers today, the system isn't anywhere near something we'd call "self-driving". The system bobbled more than 10 maneuvers and driving situations on our loop, some of which required us to quickly retake control. Although, we were impressed with its capability while taking certain highway interchanges, lane changes, and use on two-lane roads.


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ted-explained/

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Old 05-01-21 | 08:53 PM
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You just posted the link. Do you have any comments to add before any of us reply?

(unless I simply didn't catch what tl;dr stands for)

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Old 05-01-21 | 09:29 PM
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I think Honda has a level 3 system. So does Audi. What is Tesla at?

Only my opinion...but I think people are foolish to pay for these features....what ever happened to the joy of driving?

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Old 05-01-21 | 09:36 PM
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The Tesla is still a level 2. The Honda system I think was the Japan version in the RLX, but I am not sure if it is released yet? I dont think there is any level 3 system yet. Even the S class can be equipped with level 3 but will not have it upon released until government allows for it around he world.
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Originally Posted by RXSF
The Tesla is still a level 2. The Honda system I think was the Japan version in the RLX, but I am not sure if it is released yet? I dont think there is any level 3 system yet. Even the S class can be equipped with level 3 but will not have it upon released until government allows for it around he world.
ok. I had thought I read that Honda was at level 3
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I did read the entire article the conclusion is more nuanced than your cherry picked paragraph. I also read their test of Super Cruise, it is quite terrible.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
what ever happened to the joy of driving?
Many people don't care about driving, they just want to get to point B. They'd much rather do something else, evident by the amount of distracted driving we see on a daily basis. Meanwhile, there are many people who have some condition (temporary or permanent), which hinders their ability to drive.

As for me, there is a distinction between "enjoyable" or "recreational" vs "junk" driving. Autocross or some twisty roads? I'm down for that, let's go. Sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 45 minutes, or occupying a long stretch of boring highway with speed traps? No thanks, autopilot, please. Not all driving is equal.
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Originally Posted by Lets Drive
Many people don't care about driving, they just want to get to point B. They'd much rather do something else, evident by the amount of distracted driving we see on a daily basis. Meanwhile, there are many people who have some condition (temporary or permanent), which hinders their ability to drive.

As for me, there is a distinction between "enjoyable" or "recreational" vs "junk" driving. Autocross or some twisty roads? I'm down for that, let's go. Sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 45 minutes, or occupying a long stretch of boring highway with speed traps? No thanks, autopilot, please. Not all driving is equal.
You’d pay in the case of Tesla…$10,000
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
You’d pay in the case of Tesla…$10,000
Sort of. I have Enhanced Autopilot (EAP), which was cheaper and provides the main features of FSD (at this point in time). I read the FSD description when making the decision and decided I didn't want to pay in advance, for something that had to contend with unforeseen regulatory approval. Now if FSD was account-based and transferred to other Tesla purchases, as an incentive to stay within the brand, that would be attractive. When Tesla shows significant leaps over EAP with a more developed, feature rich version of FSD, I'll consider paying the difference to upgrade (which I can do through the app).

As a matter of whether or not the technology is useful (from any brand, not just Tesla), I think it absolutely is. Like most people who commute often, I have to occupy a vehicle, but autopilot and other assistance systems offer more control over how and when I drive. I'm totally fine with the car handling the mundane task of traffic, while I take over once things open up and actual driving occurs.
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Why Tesla Autopilot Safety Concerns Are Unfounded

Tesla reports one accident for every 3.7 million miles driven while Autopilot is engaged. Over the past two years, the number of miles driven per accident, with the Autopilot on, has increased 18%. Compared to that, the NHTSA reports one accident for about every 475,000 miles driven for all US vehicles.

Why It Matters: Tesla has been voluntarily reporting accident data since the third quarter of 2018 and according to Munster, with more data, the Autopilot technology is improving over time.

“Driven by algorithms, the more data Tesla vehicles collect the better its ADAS gets. We estimate the US Tesla fleet has grown from around 150,000 in 2017 to 750,000 today, equating to 5x more data,” Munster wrote.

NHTSA has previously launched around at least 14 SCI teams to investigate Tesla crashes that may be tied to the vehicle’s advanced Autopilot driver assistance system, but taken no action against the automaker as a result of those probes.
tldr; autopilot is much better than human drivers.
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When people rely solely on Autopilot it can be dangerous. It's not autonomous driving. It's really an advanced safety feature. Driving with Autopilot is safer than driving without. The car knows where all cars are in the vicinity so can make emergency maneuvers if it detects danger without hitting other cars. This video has some great examples.


Note, I rarely use Autopilot unless I'm in stop and go traffic on the highway. In all other situations, I'd rather drive fast and lookout for police
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
You just posted the link. Do you have any comments to add before any of us reply?

(unless I simply didn't catch what tl;dr stands for)
i didn't just post the link, i quoted their summation which i agreed with so didn't feel the need to add to it.

"tl;dr" is internet lingo for "too long, didn't read", meaning if someone doesn't want to read the whole article at the link then here's the short summary.
Old 05-02-21 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
You just posted the link. Do you have any comments to add before any of us reply?

(unless I simply didn't catch what tl;dr stands for)
Too Long; Didn't Read.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I did read the entire article the conclusion is more nuanced than your cherry picked paragraph.
i posted the article's final paragraph which is their conclusion and that paragraph shows their mixed feelings - they like a lot of what it does but also saw it do a lot of screwy things that were dangerous if they weren't immediately ready to take over.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Too Long; Didn't Read.

OK, Thanks. I know some basic symbols, but I'm not an expert in Internet/Social-Media lingo.



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