Toyota bZ4X and Subaru Solterra
04-12-22 | 10:21 AM
#241
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 14,598
Likes: 2,303
From: California
04-12-22 | 10:26 AM
#242
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,104
Likes: 64
From: N/A
Of course it's vastly superior. But will Toyota buyers even care when it's not a Toyota?
04-12-22 | 10:26 AM
#243
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,460
Likes: 228
From: CA
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
And they should be. But they have a different customer base than Toyota and Lexus, and I think that's where the problem lies
04-12-22 | 10:38 AM
#244
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,104
Likes: 64
From: N/A
I don't think Hyundai and Toyota are all that different. Their is significant cross section of people that buy both Toyota and Hyundai. I know many families that opted to buy Palisades over Highlanders. They would have a choice between an Ioniq and a BZ4X and if they compare the two, it's not competitive if one has a tax credit.
04-12-22 | 10:45 AM
#245
Lead Lap
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,585
Likes: 24
From: Washington
I wish data was more publicly available that had the breakdown by model. I remember being privately shown Mercedes S-class consumer data showing where they lost a lot of buyers to the LS for a while but they came right back by the end of the W221 S-class lifecycle (LS had gotten old by then) and stayed.
04-12-22 | 10:47 AM
#246
it's ho hum to me. the charging time is the deal killer here. mediocre range and pricing aren't helping either. one thing i'm sure is dealers would be stupid to mark this up. people will just go with Rav4 Prime or Tesla Y if the AWD bZ4X are priced around $55k with markups.
04-12-22 | 10:48 AM
#247
Lexus Champion
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 19,951
Likes: 171
I think an hour charging time doesn't help the EV mission which is to replace ICE over time. It entirely negates any consideration for me if this were in the Lexus RZ. I need something that can get me going in about 20 minutes after 2 hours of driving. Doubling that time would be painful and definitely a no go. I guess the FWD is an option but rather have AWD as it s a much much better experience.
Im looking forward to my Ioniq which could probably get me going in 15 minutes or less after 2 hours of driving. It will do 0-60 in less than 5 s to boot
I think the Ioniq will be much more desired than this thing and sell way more.
Im looking forward to my Ioniq which could probably get me going in 15 minutes or less after 2 hours of driving. It will do 0-60 in less than 5 s to boot
I think the Ioniq will be much more desired than this thing and sell way more.However when it comes to BZ4X, it is really stupid from Toyota to have super slow charging on more expensive AWD model. Problem is not peak charging, problem is they say under 30m for FWD and around an hour for AWD model for 0-80%.
That is huge difference, that means FWD model has really nice and optimized charging curve, while AWD model has terrible charging curve.
04-12-22 | 10:58 AM
#248
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 14,598
Likes: 2,303
From: California
^ ^ This ^^ Toyota and Lexus buyers are fiercely loyal. Most of the people on this forum are enthusiasts, and not typical Toyota/Lexus buyers. You can see by their car purchases in their signatures. In most cases you'll never find anything else in typical Toyota owner garages. Trust me on this, If there were no EV's, you would find nothing but Toyota's and Lexus in front of my house. Boring, but reliable
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 04-12-22 at 11:03 AM.
04-12-22 | 11:15 AM
#249
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,460
Likes: 228
From: CA
i dont know what is 20m after 2hrs of driving? What does that mean?
However when it comes to BZ4X, it is really stupid from Toyota to have super slow charging on more expensive AWD model. Problem is not peak charging, problem is they say under 30m for FWD and around an hour for AWD model for 0-80%.
That is huge difference, that means FWD model has really nice and optimized charging curve, while AWD model has terrible charging curve.
However when it comes to BZ4X, it is really stupid from Toyota to have super slow charging on more expensive AWD model. Problem is not peak charging, problem is they say under 30m for FWD and around an hour for AWD model for 0-80%.
That is huge difference, that means FWD model has really nice and optimized charging curve, while AWD model has terrible charging curve.
04-12-22 | 11:44 AM
#251
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 14,598
Likes: 2,303
From: California
That's another issue, and it's a big problem with Toyota V6's like the Camry and Avalon, especially when you want to go into quick turns. The Camry TRD is a torque steer nightmare, and Toyota doesn't have any sense to put in a LSD to try and mitigate TS. For EV's they need to be either RWD or AWD, which is easy enough to do
04-12-22 | 11:56 AM
#252
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 20,907
Likes: 3,117
From: Alberta
04-12-22 | 12:01 PM
#253
Lead Lap
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,585
Likes: 24
From: Washington
04-12-22 | 12:07 PM
#254
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 20,907
Likes: 3,117
From: Alberta
04-12-22 | 12:09 PM
#255
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,460
Likes: 228
From: CA
Originally Posted by LeX2K
Maybe technically but the packaging looks very FWD hybrid esque. If the platform can be RWD only I'd love to know why they went with FWD.