Kind of eye opening on where Toyota EV tech is at the moment. Slowest accelerating, slowest charging, with the least amount of range. Trifecta!

But hey, at least it will be reliable...

 

i dont think accelerating is the problem, actually it is ok for comparable models to VW and lots of Europeans.

I think what shows where Toyota BEV tech is right now, is that you do not have a charging screen inside vehicle, of any kind, and that there is no route planning of any kind.

I am sure it will get added, but that is where it is now.

 

it’s a 214hp. Over priced Toyota. If it were a gas car, $25K. Hybrid would be $35K. Not sure why Audi or LS or even Tesla are in the same comparison

 

If you compare the ID.4 AWD to the AWD BZ4X which are the most comparable vehicles (both around $50k), the ID4 has more real world range 190 vs. 160 miles, faster at 0-60 in 5.4s vs. 6.3s, way faster 0-100 14.5s vs. 18s, and better charging speeds at 125 kw vs. 100kw. At least the European BZ will get better charging at 150kw with the Panasonic pack but the ID4 is supposed to get 150kw through an update soon.

Seems to me the only reason to get the BZ over the ID4 is brand loyalty.

Edit: All stats using C&D

https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/id4

 

Good thing for Toyota is they can't damage their reputation since hardly any will be sold.

 

Most people buy ID4 RWD, and Toyota is better there when it comes to charging and speed.
Also, AWD in Europe will have better batteries.

Problem is deeper, and another problem is ID4 sux too, and is not having great sales either.
For instance, Stellantis is eating VW lunch in Europe, and nobody talks about it. Let alone Tesla.

So being better 5% than VW in some things does not matter as VW is not good either.

Plus software non existance and CATL/US/China charging are just stop sales thing.

 

2,755 ID4s were delivered in Q1 2022. What are you comparing it to in order to say its not having great sales? Nothing is matching Tesla yet.

 

Everything i've read says that the ID3 / ID4 program was extremely successful for VW especially in Europe. Seems VW has the highest share of BEVs. In the US, there is a gigantic waitlist for them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/30/volk...in-europe.html

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/01/30...s-in-december/

 

Because they are all cheaper for 6 years of operation end to end....this thing doesn't offer anything

If this car cost 15-20k I would be in line to buy one but this is just hilarious at the price they want. No point to it. An econobox being sold for a premium that also comes with a heap of inconveniences you need to live with.

 

It'll also be the most expensive when Toyota runs out of of that $7K tax credit in a few months, even before dealer price gouging. I just do not understand the strategy behind this car, it's like they're treating it as just another compliance vehicle.

 

Doesn't matter. They have plenty of other "electrified" vehicles to carry the torch

 

I put a new battery into my neighbours car today it is now freshly electrified.

 

Since the ID.4 was brought up:

The ID.4's interior and infotainment has been panned by reviewers. Most likely it gets updated for 2023.

Doug has it tied with the RAV4 Prime and below the Solterra. I was actually surprised.

 

Oh yeah, the 190 miles highway range is for the RWD ID.4 and is actually less efficient than the AWD bZ4X.

The FWD bZ4X is the most efficient and the one to get (especially in the US).

 

Need some more real world range testing.