Toyota bZ4X and Subaru Solterra
05-09-22, 12:24 PM
#377
Lexus Test Driver
05-09-22, 02:52 PM
#379
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
it's going to take them 2-3 generations to begin to be competitive.
05-09-22, 02:54 PM
#380
Lexus Fanatic
05-09-22, 03:06 PM
#381
As I've said numerous times before, it appears that Toyota is putting all their efforts into the next generation of EV's. Why would they release something so ****-poor such as this?
I honestly think they just wanted to have an entry in the segment. Kinda similar to the Tundra. They don't intend to compete head-on with Ford and GM but they just wanted to have an offering in the full-size truck segment. Same with the EV's.
Toyota isn't dumb. They have much more practical vehicles in their lineup that people actually want and I bet they will be a leader in EV's in the next 2-3 years.
I honestly think they just wanted to have an entry in the segment. Kinda similar to the Tundra. They don't intend to compete head-on with Ford and GM but they just wanted to have an offering in the full-size truck segment. Same with the EV's.
Toyota isn't dumb. They have much more practical vehicles in their lineup that people actually want and I bet they will be a leader in EV's in the next 2-3 years.
05-09-22, 03:11 PM
#382
Lexus Fanatic
Battery EV sales will eventually stall (no pun int) At that point, a realistic solution will have to be made.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-09-22 at 03:14 PM.
05-09-22, 03:36 PM
#383
As I've said numerous times before, it appears that Toyota is putting all their efforts into the next generation of EV's. Why would they release something so ****-poor such as this?
I honestly think they just wanted to have an entry in the segment. Kinda similar to the Tundra. They don't intend to compete head-on with Ford and GM but they just wanted to have an offering in the full-size truck segment. Same with the EV's.
Toyota isn't dumb. They have much more practical vehicles in their lineup that people actually want and I bet they will be a leader in EV's in the next 2-3 years.
I honestly think they just wanted to have an entry in the segment. Kinda similar to the Tundra. They don't intend to compete head-on with Ford and GM but they just wanted to have an offering in the full-size truck segment. Same with the EV's.
Toyota isn't dumb. They have much more practical vehicles in their lineup that people actually want and I bet they will be a leader in EV's in the next 2-3 years.
TMC is not stupid.
Batteries are in short supply.
So TMC will be primarily focused on breakthrough alternative battery chemistries.
Meantime, the GA-C based Yaris EV & UX300e EV and the e-TNGA based bZ & RZ duo - all with lithium ion batteries - are merely stop gaps.
05-09-22, 04:56 PM
#384
Lexus Champion
If what you were saying were reality, than I would have bought a hybrid years ago. And automakers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, VW, Mercedes etc wouldn't be investing (or wasting) billions in EV development. The truth is...Toyota sees the writing on the wall. The problem is that they are late to the party. And I'm afraid they are not going to catchup, nor be a leader. The leader is already there for all to see...they are about to sell a million cars worldwide this year
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 05-09-22 at 05:00 PM.
05-09-22, 05:47 PM
#385
Lexus Fanatic
If this was true, everyone would be investing in hybrids instead of EV's. The only true statement here is yes, hybrids do have better range, but EV's are superior in every other way, including more power, more efficiency and fun driving dynamics. The most efficient hybrid is what, 60 mpg? That's actually really good, but it sucks to drive gas efficient Hybrids, and high horsepower EV's are still way more efficient than any Prius or RAV4 hybrid. "Mild" hybrid systems that boost power don't really boost MPG enough to matter or worth investing in long term which is why they are stop gaps
If what you were saying were reality, than I would have bought a hybrid years ago. And automakers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, VW, Mercedes etc wouldn't be investing (or wasting) billions in EV development. The truth is...Toyota sees the writing on the wall. The problem is that they are late to the party. And I'm afraid they are not going to catchup, nor be a leader. The leader is already there for all to see...they are about to sell a million cars worldwide this year
If what you were saying were reality, than I would have bought a hybrid years ago. And automakers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, VW, Mercedes etc wouldn't be investing (or wasting) billions in EV development. The truth is...Toyota sees the writing on the wall. The problem is that they are late to the party. And I'm afraid they are not going to catchup, nor be a leader. The leader is already there for all to see...they are about to sell a million cars worldwide this year
If you are not selling combustion engines anymore, someone else will,
05-09-22, 05:59 PM
#386
Lexus Champion
The 160 miles highway range is not good as a road tripper, but surprised the bZ4X's highway efficiency (86 mpge) was better than the ID.4 RWD (82 mpge).
The ID.4 AWD would probably be even less efficient.
Model Y Long Range with 94 mpge is the best.
Definitely would only consider the FWD bZ4X at this point for better efficiency, faster charging and more range compared to the AWD version.
Im still not interested till it's 600+ and can recharge in under 10 min
05-09-22, 06:21 PM
#387
I'm with you 100%. I also don't get the MPGe crap. I think it's a sneaky way to show someone how efficient a car is but that doesn't explain anything really.
05-09-22, 06:27 PM
#388
Lexus Champion
Especially so if the tank is extremely difficult or impossible to expand plus expensive and degrades.
05-09-22, 06:36 PM
#389
Lexus Champion
Let me ask you this...if you could own a 400 to 600 HP car that gets 80 to 100 mpg equivalent where you only visit superchargers when you do longer trips, wouldn't you want a vehicle like that?
05-09-22, 06:36 PM
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