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05-09-22, 06:40 PM
#391
Lexus Champion
05-09-22, 06:41 PM
#392
Electric-car charging stations are becoming more common, but there's still one huge problem: Tons of them don't work
Tim Levin9 hours ago
- Electric car charging stations have major reliability issues, a new study found.
- More than 25% of charging stations in California's Bay Area were unusable, according to researchers.
- Issues ranged from broken screens to poor network connectivity and payment system failures.
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A study of public electric-vehicle stations in California's Bay Area found that only 72.5% of chargers were operational. California has by far the most electric car owners of any state and has been a leader in electric and hybrid vehicles for years. But its charging infrastructure shows major reliability issues, the study, first reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, found.
The survey was conducted by David Rempel, a retired professor of bioengineering at the University of California Berkeley, and Cool the Earth, a nonprofit focused on cutting carbon emissions. Volunteers visited 181 public DC fast-charging stations and tested the 657 individual charging plugs. A connector was labeled functional if it successfully charged an EV for two minutes or if volunteers observed an electric car was already charging.
DC fast-chargers, sometimes called Level 3, are the most powerful type of charger and offer the quickest charge. Tesla Supercharger locations were not included in the survey because they only serve Tesla cars.
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A total of 22.7% of connectors were non-functioning due to problems including network connectivity issues, broken plugs, unresponsive screens, and payment system failures. Around 5% of connectors had cables that were too short to reach an EV's charging port, rendering them unusable.
The findings mirror what Insider has experienced while testing EVs in the Northeast, where charging stations are plentiful but often broken or awaiting service. The study also contributes to a mounting body of research indicating that charging needs to become more convenient in order for mass adoption of battery-powered vehicles to occur.
A survey of 1,290 electric-car drivers by a California government agency found that 44% of owners saw operability or payment issues as barriers to charging.
The situation could improve as electric cars grow in popularity and funding flows into the charging space. The White House announced in February it will provide $5 billion to help states shore up their charging infrastructure along major highways.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/elec...ev-2022-5?op=1
Lol they can't even maintain what they have now. What are they going to do when they start building tons more? Are those going to be broken as well?
05-09-22, 06:43 PM
#393
Lexus Champion
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 05-09-22 at 06:46 PM.
05-09-22, 06:47 PM
#394
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by xjokerz
Electric-car charging stations are becoming more common, but there's still one huge problem: Tons of them don't work
Tim Levin9 hours ago
- Electric car charging stations have major reliability issues, a new study found.
- More than 25% of charging stations in California's Bay Area were unusable, according to researchers.
- Issues ranged from broken screens to poor network connectivity and payment system failures.
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A study of public electric-vehicle stations in California's Bay Area found that only 72.5% of chargers were operational. California has by far the most electric car owners of any state and has been a leader in electric and hybrid vehicles for years. But its charging infrastructure shows major reliability issues, the study, first reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, found.
The survey was conducted by David Rempel, a retired professor of bioengineering at the University of California Berkeley, and Cool the Earth, a nonprofit focused on cutting carbon emissions. Volunteers visited 181 public DC fast-charging stations and tested the 657 individual charging plugs. A connector was labeled functional if it successfully charged an EV for two minutes or if volunteers observed an electric car was already charging.
DC fast-chargers, sometimes called Level 3, are the most powerful type of charger and offer the quickest charge. Tesla Supercharger locations were not included in the survey because they only serve Tesla cars.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sc/terracycle-aims-to-make-everything-recyclable-2022-3?utm_source=NPU&utm_medium=studios_onsite&utm_campaign=Bank+of+America+]
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A total of 22.7% of connectors were non-functioning due to problems including network connectivity issues, broken plugs, unresponsive screens, and payment system failures. Around 5% of connectors had cables that were too short to reach an EV's charging port, rendering them unusable.
The findings mirror what Insider has experienced while testing EVs in the Northeast, where charging stations are plentiful but often broken or awaiting service. The study also contributes to a mounting body of research indicating that charging needs to become more convenient in order for mass adoption of battery-powered vehicles to occur.
A survey of 1,290 electric-car drivers by a California government agency found that 44% of owners saw operability or payment issues as barriers to charging.
The situation could improve as electric cars grow in popularity and funding flows into the charging space. The White House announced in February it will provide $5 billion to help states shore up their charging infrastructure along major highways.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/elec...ev-2022-5?op=1
Lol they can't even maintain what they have now. What are they going to do when they start building tons more? Are those going to be broken as well?
05-09-22, 06:55 PM
#395
You wonder why Teslas are so popular. It's rare for them to be broken. Also, a Tesla will tell you which stalls may not work when you pull into a station. It actually re routes you real time if it thinks one of the stations might be too busy. Software is years ahead of all the OEMs.
05-09-22, 07:10 PM
#396
Lexus Test Driver
Its not for everybody. Software is great and nice tech but a traditional Lexus buyer wouldn't find it that interesting. Unfortunately, I hear the BZ4X is nice car outside of the crappy charging and range meaning it drives nice, with high quality, and very comfortable. I was really looking forward to the RZ450 as a potential buy but the range and charging speed are a couple things I don't want to compromise on. With that said, every one of these units will be sold as there are a ton of people that will only buy Toyota.
05-09-22, 07:23 PM
#397
Lexus Champion
No that's not true if an EV supports fast charging of at least 150kW. Plus most EV'S are charged at home, so they are "full" every morning. And even if I didn't charge at home, I would be spending 20 to 25 minutes every 9 to 10 days at a fast charger.
Let me ask you this...if you could own a 400 to 600 HP car that gets 80 to 100 mpg equivalent where you only visit superchargers when you do longer trips, wouldn't you want a vehicle like that?
Let me ask you this...if you could own a 400 to 600 HP car that gets 80 to 100 mpg equivalent where you only visit superchargers when you do longer trips, wouldn't you want a vehicle like that?
If we had .10 cent a gallon gas I would not care whatsoever what the mpg of my car is, only range and time to fill. I honestly already don't care at all since even 13-16mpg is still cheap to run. My 22-24 average in my daily is magic already with how cheap it is.....
I couldn't care less about MPGe, I want range, power, and gas like reload speed.
05-09-22, 07:25 PM
#398
They will sell every one they make, because they aren't making many of them to begin with.
05-09-22, 07:25 PM
#399
Lexus Champion
That's such a lame argument when most EV'S can go 230 to 250 miles on a charge, and most people rarely drive that much. If they went 500 miles you guys would just move the bar higher. I've yet to visit a charging station and not been able to charge, so keep bringing on the excuses
05-09-22, 07:26 PM
#400
Lexus Champion
You wonder why Teslas are so popular. It's rare for them to be broken. Also, a Tesla will tell you which stalls may not work when you pull into a station. It actually re routes you real time if it thinks one of the stations might be too busy. Software is years ahead of all the OEMs.
05-09-22, 07:28 PM
#401
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
I think so too.
TMC is not stupid.
Batteries are in short supply.
So TMC will be primarily focused on breakthrough alternative battery chemistries.
Meantime, the GA-C based Yaris EV & UX300e EV and the e-TNGA based bZ & RZ duo - all with lithium ion batteries - are merely stop gaps.
TMC is not stupid.
Batteries are in short supply.
So TMC will be primarily focused on breakthrough alternative battery chemistries.
Meantime, the GA-C based Yaris EV & UX300e EV and the e-TNGA based bZ & RZ duo - all with lithium ion batteries - are merely stop gaps.
it's nice to say toyota's just phoning it in on this first gen because they have bigger plans, but bigger plans don't come without risks too.
meanwhile, tesla has an enormous supply chain for batteries and they WILL evolve their product line, so by the time toyota's got some 'savior' technology ready, it could well be largely too late because at that point teslas are more than good enough. heck, with their charging network and current capacity they're more than good enough to do the job, i and many others though, don't care for erratic build quality, and the all powerful center screen.
05-09-22, 07:36 PM
#403
Lexus Champion
That's your lifestyle, not everyone drives that much per day. I can go 10 days without changing, but I charge every night anyway. In my view, I have more flexibility than you because I'm fully charged everyday, and haven't had to visit a gas station in months. And when I do occasionally do longer trips, it costs me less in 3 months then one of your fill-up's and costs me 25 minutes at a fast charger...a trade off that's worth it to me
05-09-22, 07:36 PM
#404
Lexus Test Driver
EA chargers are the same, the app will tell you which chargers are available and which ones are not. The advantage of Tesla chargers is they have 10 to 12 chargers while EA will usually have 4 to 5 per location in the Bay area at least. I've never had to wait for a charger, and I've only seen one that was offline for maintenance
05-09-22, 07:42 PM
#405
Lexus Test Driver
i think batteries are in short supply for many car makers, including toyota i believe, because they didn't invest in having a supply chain (or manufacturing capability) themselves.
it's nice to say toyota's just phoning it in on this first gen because they have bigger plans, but bigger plans don't come without risks too.
meanwhile, tesla has an enormous supply chain for batteries and they WILL evolve their product line, so by the time toyota's got some 'savior' technology ready, it could well be largely too late because at that point teslas are more than good enough. heck, with their charging network and current capacity they're more than good enough to do the job, i and many others though, don't care for erratic build quality, and the all powerful center screen.
on the bold, i don't think that will be challenging because i don't imagine toyota/lexus will actually be able to deliver a whole lot of volume.
it's nice to say toyota's just phoning it in on this first gen because they have bigger plans, but bigger plans don't come without risks too.
meanwhile, tesla has an enormous supply chain for batteries and they WILL evolve their product line, so by the time toyota's got some 'savior' technology ready, it could well be largely too late because at that point teslas are more than good enough. heck, with their charging network and current capacity they're more than good enough to do the job, i and many others though, don't care for erratic build quality, and the all powerful center screen.
on the bold, i don't think that will be challenging because i don't imagine toyota/lexus will actually be able to deliver a whole lot of volume.