AMIRZA786

If you become a member at $4 a month the rate drops to .31 cents a kWh, reasonable if you do a lot of longer drives that requires super chargers. I don't have to worry for the next 2 years, as it's free until then. I said this before, you'll be surprised at how well the built in Google maps does the job. I also have ABTP built in as well

EZZ

Carplay and Android Auto will also give you ABRP and actually integrates with the car if you pay a monthly subscription fee. The EA app can also be accessed through Carplay which is nice. But again, full integration with the car still isn't there like Tesla and this makes it super easy on new EV owners on how to easily take road trips. Of course Tesla's approach isn't available to other auto makers quite yet as they lack the vertical integration. Polestar 2 is way ahead of many of the other OEMs too. Go take a look at the Ioniq 5 or ID4 software...not great. I'm betting the BZ4X software will also be lacking but at least it has Carplay / Android Auto to compensate.

I hear Tesla is releasing its CCS adapter in the states soon. Your EA chargers may be filled with a ton of Teslas soon

Striker223

Yeah and I can drive for 30 years at current gas prices to your starting msrp

Striker223

It will hit a $1-2 before you know it lol!

EZZ

For electricity? Ridiculous. Tesla charges the electricity at cost to its owners. This is at DC fast charging too. Most Tesla I know have a garage and solar so most of the time, its a big fast $0 to charge the car.

AMIRZA786

I guess if you compare with a 10 year car LOL. You have to compare what it competes with, in my case the Polestar 2 competes with cars like 2022 BMW M240i, 2022 IS350 F-Sport and similar. Just comparing it to my 2010 IS350, it only costs $120 a month more to drive... and my IS350 is 12 years old and paid off! Just do the math and it's easy to prove my Polestar is cheaper to own and drive than it's direct ICE competition.

Is a Base Corolla cheaper to drive in the short run... maybe. But I have no desire to drive a Corolla

AMIRZA786

If electricity actually reached that cost, millions of people wouldn't be able to afford powering their houses. People would have electricity bills hitting $1000 or more a month in the summer. No way that will ever happen. Electricity is an infinite resource which is why it's stayed pretty much the same price as when I was a kid in the 70's

Striker223

At the fast chargers it will. Most will not have the space/money to have solar at home nor the space to part to charge at home......they will have to use quick chargers

AMIRZA786

You are basing that on misinformation. If that was the case, people wouldn't use superchargers because that would make them more expensive than gasoline. At $1 per kWh, that would mean it would cost me $78 to fully charge (think of my car as having a 3 gallon tank), at $2 it would be triple or quadruple the cost of gasoline. Some Super charging networks tried at first charging by the minute, guess what? Nobody visited their chargers, so they switched back to charging by the kWh. Will they raise their prices? Sure, but electricity will always be cheaper than gasoline. Most people only use superchargers when traveling or because they free for 3 years. Some supercharger networks also have monthly memberships of $4 a month for discounted charging, so it will always be cheaper to charge.

As far as Toyota bZ4X... This is a poor excuse of an EV. It helps the case of every EV detractor looking for holes. All the other EV makers are extremely happy with Toyotas offering to a market that's getting more crowded day by day

nicedude

Looks like Toyota updated their press release. Haha.

Slows down charging when below 32 degrees and might not be possible when below -4 degrees.

Nothing new here. Even Teslas can't charge well in the freezing cold:



Just charge at home.

Toys4RJill

the Toyota EVs will last longer than Tesla. Won’t be as -powerful. But the information to the owner/driver and the caveats of owning an EV will be messaged better IMO. Both the Toyota and Subaru are overpriced IMO.

EZZ

That guy left his Tesla with 5% or less remaining battery in freezing cold. He may have damaged his battery. If he were at 50%, it would heat up the battery using the stators and then the car would accept a decent supercharger rate.

EZZ

Both EVs will last around 16 years. Battery chemistry goes kaput no matter what around that time. During that period, the Tesla willl have more range, more power, and be infinitely more exciting to drive. It is what it is.

xjokerz

Well some people like myself don't want a sporty drive. We like total smoothness and don't wanna feel every crack in the road.

Toys4RJill

no way. The Toyota will last longer.. 2X. So much more out there than Tesla. Have you seen how bad reliablity is for Tesla? 2nd last in CR

That is very true. EVs are very expensive as well. I can’t believe the price for the new Toyota electric vehicle, far too expensive for 214 hp