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If people here are concerned about EV range and power then you need to get a Tesla end of story. Otherwise fact is most automakers are 4-6 years behind Tesla, though they will slowly close the gap. That said, it's a decent first effort by Toyota. My biggest gripe is merely the name bZ4X
And if people are expecting more from Toyco, the 🤷. But I guess it's par for the course in mediocrity from Toyco these days ...
I see this and I think that Toyota needs to continue making hybrids as they aren't ready for this market yet. Lol. I hope they sell it at a discount to all the others at least.
I see this and I think that Toyota needs to continue making hybrids as they aren't ready for this market yet. Lol. I hope they sell it at a discount to all the others at least.
And Toyco is using 100kW battery vs 82kW. If it's "tuned" for range, which is implied with the anemic acceleration, I would of expected much more....
Range isn't really impacted by power much. A Plaid has the same range essentially as the weaker regular LR with the same wheel package. The EPA test doesn't account for full throttle so if you drive both sedately, should have the same range. Also accelerating to 100mph fast or slow doesn't impact battery consumption much...its the constant fight with air resistance that zaps range vs. acceleration.
The reason its slow is that Toyota is cheaping out on the inverter and motor. Its not hard to make an EV fast but Toyota really cheaped out on the powertrain. I would have thought they would bring their A game for this.
Range isn't really impacted by power much. A Plaid has the same range essentially as the weaker regular LR with the same wheel package. The EPA test doesn't account for full throttle so if you drive both sedately, should have the same range. Also accelerating to 100mph fast or slow doesn't impact battery consumption much...its the constant fight with air resistance that zaps range vs. acceleration.
The reason its slow is that Toyota is cheaping out on the inverter and motor. Its not hard to make an EV fast but Toyota really cheaped out on the powertrain. I would have thought they would bring their A game for this.
Toyota has always been conservative when it comes to "power". Your exactly right, EV's are very efficient so you can generate a lot of power with very little penalty when it comes to range, or MPG's. The F-150 which makes almost 600 whp gets 85 mpg if you compare it to a gasoline engine. The penalty is in the bigger battery pack
If people here are concerned about EV range and power then you need to get a Tesla end of story. Otherwise fact is most automakers are 4-6 years behind Tesla, though they will slowly close the gap. That said, it's a decent first effort by Toyota. My biggest gripe is merely the name bZ4X
This thing doesn’t have the range to be a widespread model. I’m sure Toyota can add battery capacity if they want, but likely this will be more regional specific. If you watch the video from Toyota Japan, they show how the models can be scaled larger, so I am sure a larger battery can be added and you’d have a Highlander or larger size model. I like the bZ4X naming, I like the marketing behind it.
I really like the exterior styling. Not sure about the driving area, too weird. Doors panels look a little Spartan. Back seat room …impressive. Interesting the roof panel but it will just add cost and weight. Not much information on the rear cargo area. Steer by wire is interesting.
‘The 10 year 90% battery capacity is impressive
It’s a Toyota so it won’t have any of the battery fire issues that plague GM and Hyundai
No traditional sunroof
Still have to wait and charge the damn thing
At least it will be “Made in Japan”
Woke steering wheel lol
Anyways, I’d rather just get a regular RAV4 hybrid or a Highlander hybrid over this.
This thing doesn’t have the range to be a widespread model. I’m sure Toyota can add battery capacity if they want, but likely this will be more regional specific. If you watch the video from Toyota Japan, they show how the models can be scaled larger, so I am sure a larger battery can be added and you’d have a Highlander or larger size model. I like the bZ4X naming, I like the marketing behind it.
I really like the exterior styling. Not sure about the driving area, too weird. Doors panels look a little Spartan. Back seat room …impressive. Interesting the roof panel but it will just add cost and weight. Not much information on the rear cargo area. Steer by wire is interesting.
‘The 10 year 90% battery capacity is impressive
No traditional sunroof
Still have to wait and charge the damn thing
At least it will be “Made in Japan”
Woke steering wheel lol
Anyways, I’d rather just get a regular RAV4 hybrid or a Highlander hybrid over this.
The range is plenty for most commutes. I don't like the steering wheel, woke or un-woke . It definitely needs to have more power, but that's not a show stopper for me as using it as a commute car you really, honestly don't need a lot of power
This thing doesn’t have the range to be a widespread model. I’m sure Toyota can add battery capacity if they want, but likely this will be more regional specific. If you watch the video from Toyota Japan, they show how the models can be scaled larger, so I am sure a larger battery can be added and you’d have a Highlander or larger size model. I like the bZ4X naming, I like the marketing behind it.
By your logic then none of these do either. I'm not buying what you're selling
Mini SE - 114 mile range
Nissan Leaf - 149
BMW i3 - 153
Ioniq Electric - 170
Taycan - 200
e-tron sportback - 218
e-tron - 222
Nissan Leaf Plus - 226
Mache E - 230
Polestar 2 - 233
e-tron GT - 238
Niro EV - 239
Bolt EUV - 247
Kona Electric - 258
Bolt EV - 259
ID.4 - 260
Model 3 SR - 263
bZ4X - 285
By your logic then none of these do either. I'm not buying what you're selling
Mini SE - 114 mile range
Nissan Leaf - 149
BMW i3 - 153
Ioniq Electric - 170
Taycan - 200
e-tron sportback - 218
e-tron - 222
Nissan Leaf Plus - 226
Mache E - 230
Polestar 2 - 233
e-tron GT - 238
Niro EV - 239
Bolt EUV - 247
Kona Electric - 258
Bolt EV - 259
ID.4 - 260
Model 3 SR - 263
bZ4X - 285 Ford F-150 Lightning with Extended Range - 300
Originally Posted by Hoovey2411View Post
By your logic then none of these do either. I'm not buying what you're selling
Mini SE - 114 mile range
Nissan Leaf - 149
BMW i3 - 153
Ioniq Electric - 170
Taycan - 200
e-tron sportback - 218
e-tron - 222
Nissan Leaf Plus - 226
Mache E - 230
Polestar 2 - 233
e-tron GT - 238
Niro EV - 239
Bolt EUV - 247
Kona Electric - 258
Bolt EV - 259
ID.4 - 260
Model 3 SR - 263
bZ4X - 285 Ford F-150 Lightning with extended range - 300
Nope. Not enough, hybrid RAV4 or Highlander makes a better alternative.
Unfortunately, the specs are underwhelming. This is one of if not the slowest dedicated platform EV out there, and the range figures for WLTP are nothing to write home about. This comes across as just another vehicle made solely for the Toyota faithful who don't cross-shop with other brands.
10-29-21, 10:37 AM
. It definitely needs to have more power, but that's not a show stopper for me as using it as a commute car you really, honestly don't need a lot of power
