Toyota bZ4X and Subaru Solterra
10-29-21, 01:04 PM
#46
10-29-21, 01:07 PM
#48
Lexus Champion
I would definitely consider the RAV 4 or Highlander Hybrid, but at that price I can buy something much bigger with more power that will still cost me less to drive
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10-29-21, 01:09 PM
#49
Lexus Test Driver
10-29-21, 01:10 PM
#50
Lexus Fanatic
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10-29-21, 01:33 PM
#51
well we’re just given opinions. It’s not an absolute, youre right. I just don’t think the range is enough to be widespread model to sell in all regions of North America to the masses, thus the hybrid advantages . In Cali, for sure it will do well. Glad to see Toyota made a good effort for the cold weather range etc. But Come up to Toronto Maple Leaf country, and you’ll see for yourself in cold weather how range gets thrown to the Sharks
10-29-21, 02:06 PM
#52
Unfortunately, the specs are underwhelming. This is one of if not the slowest dedicated platform EV out there, and the range figures for WLTP are nothing to write home about. This comes across as just another vehicle made solely for the Toyota faithful who don't cross-shop with other brands.
Toyota will have faster versions probably later, they introduced bigger motors previously as well.
It also has really good range for 71kwh battery. It is actually really good.
But it is not a vehicle for someone who already has EV. For instance 11kwh AC chargers launches October 22, until then only option is 6.8kwh AC charging.
Toyota will also do what VW did and protect their Lexus sales by limiting power in this model, at least until they actually push something faster out.
Or you have no frunk, so you will store your 3 sets of cables in trunk, under all the luggage.
Also they announced it will over the air update multimedia system and automated braking system, but said nothing about rest of the car.
But yes, rest of the stuff, if you don't care about car EV details, is really good:
- actual steer by wire yoke vs that joke in Model S
- roof solar panel
- lots of space
- ****load of buttons
- cool heating
It is for people who are replacing their Rav4 with it and getting larger vehicles, lots of cool features, lowers their costs, familiar usage, reliable.
It is not for people who already have Tesla.
10-29-21, 02:08 PM
#53
Lexus Champion
I think it'll do well. This will appeal well to people in vehicles like the RAV4, Venza, CX-3, Escape, CR-V, etc. who would like to go electric. I am interested to see how they price it and what the range ends up being. As long as it's priced to compete in that group, I think they'll sell them with ease.
10-29-21, 02:11 PM
#54
Lexus Champion
It competes favorably with VW ID4, and not bad against KIA and Hyundai (for similar base options).
Toyota will have faster versions probably later, they introduced bigger motors previously as well.
It also has really good range for 71kwh battery. It is actually really good.
But it is not a vehicle for someone who already has EV. For instance 11kwh AC chargers launches October 22, until then only option is 6.8kwh AC charging.
Toyota will also do what VW did and protect their Lexus sales by limiting power in this model, at least until they actually push something faster out.
Or you have no frunk, so you will store your 3 sets of cables in trunk, under all the luggage.
Also they announced it will over the air update multimedia system and automated braking system, but said nothing about rest of the car.
But yes, rest of the stuff, if you don't care about car EV details, is really good:
- actual steer by wire yoke vs that joke in Model S
- roof solar panel
- lots of space
- ****load of buttons
- cool heating
It is for people who are replacing their Rav4 with it and getting larger vehicles, lots of cool features, lowers their costs, familiar usage, reliable.
It is not for people who already have Tesla.
Toyota will have faster versions probably later, they introduced bigger motors previously as well.
It also has really good range for 71kwh battery. It is actually really good.
But it is not a vehicle for someone who already has EV. For instance 11kwh AC chargers launches October 22, until then only option is 6.8kwh AC charging.
Toyota will also do what VW did and protect their Lexus sales by limiting power in this model, at least until they actually push something faster out.
Or you have no frunk, so you will store your 3 sets of cables in trunk, under all the luggage.
Also they announced it will over the air update multimedia system and automated braking system, but said nothing about rest of the car.
But yes, rest of the stuff, if you don't care about car EV details, is really good:
- actual steer by wire yoke vs that joke in Model S
- roof solar panel
- lots of space
- ****load of buttons
- cool heating
It is for people who are replacing their Rav4 with it and getting larger vehicles, lots of cool features, lowers their costs, familiar usage, reliable.
It is not for people who already have Tesla.
10-29-21, 02:27 PM
#55
I think it'll do well. This will appeal well to people in vehicles like the RAV4, Venza, CX-3, Escape, CR-V, etc. who would like to go electric. I am interested to see how they price it and what the range ends up being. As long as it's priced to compete in that group, I think they'll sell them with ease.
This vehicle is designed by people who drive hybrids today and wanted to switch to EV and thought to fix all the inconveniences.
It is not made to be better than Model Y supercar.
10-29-21, 08:03 PM
#56
Power-wise, every single EV competitor offers a bare minimum of around 300 HP in their AWD versions. This is not considered "fast" like a Tesla performance. Unless Toyota somehow prices their EV substantially cheaper than the competitors, there is absolutely no reason for their car to have less power than any one of its rivals.
But yes, rest of the stuff, if you don't care about car EV details, is really good:
- actual steer by wire yoke vs that joke in Model S
- roof solar panel
- lots of space
- ****load of buttons
- cool heating
- actual steer by wire yoke vs that joke in Model S
- roof solar panel
- lots of space
- ****load of buttons
- cool heating
It is for people who are replacing their Rav4 with it and getting larger vehicles, lots of cool features, lowers their costs, familiar usage, reliable.
And there is absolutely no guarantee that this will be reliable. It's brand new technology and Toyota's reliability record stems from doing what's tried and true. This is ground zero for them. And don't forget- this isn't just Toyota engineering, Subaru was involved as well. Reliability is a shot in the dark.
Last edited by Motorola; 10-29-21 at 08:11 PM.
10-29-21, 08:59 PM
#57
On another forum, someone reiterated that the specs released so far has been for the Japan model only. As they noted, Toyota chose to do a 150kW front motor for FWD, while only doing twin 80 kW motors for the AWD version.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model? That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model? That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender.
Last edited by kolokmee; 10-29-21 at 09:03 PM.
10-29-21, 09:02 PM
#58
On another forum, someone reiterated that the specs released so far has been for the Japan model only. As they noted, Toyota chose to do a 150kW front motor for FWD, while only doing twin 80 kW motors for the AWD version.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model. That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with all the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender for this model.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model. That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with all the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender for this model.
308 bhp would be perfect and certainly take customers from Tesla.
10-29-21, 09:08 PM
#59
On another forum, someone reiterated that the specs released so far has been for the Japan model only. As they noted, Toyota chose to do a 150kW front motor for FWD, while only doing twin 80 kW motors for the AWD version.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model? That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender.
What's stopping them from leaving the 150 kW motor in front and adding the 80 kW rear motors for a North American/EU spec AWD model? That would bring the total power rating to 230 kW (308 bhp), which would be in line with the other AWD EVs like the ID.4 and more importantly, the upcoming Nissan Ariya, which Toyota probably sees as its closest contender.
Basically, there's no reason why selling this vehicle in Japan or any other country would necessitate limiting the power.
10-29-21, 09:15 PM
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We don't know how well it competes in range because so far we only have the WLTP range, which is generally much more generous than the EPA range. 280 miles on the WLTP cycle is not much. For reference, a base ID4 gets over 310 miles on the WLTP Cycle. That number shrank to 260 miles in EPA testing.
Power-wise, every single EV competitor offers a bare minimum of around 300 HP in their AWD versions. This is not considered "fast" like a Tesla performance. Unless Toyota somehow prices their EV substantially cheaper than the competitors, there is absolutely no reason for their car to have less power than any one of its rivals.
lol, there isn't a single item on this list that will draw people away from any one of its competitors, many of whom have these same features. And since when has having a yoke in any street car, no matter how ugly, ever been a "positive"? The Model S's ugly yoke doesn't change the fact that it's still the best EV on the market.
Exactly, it is as I said before- a vehicle for Toyota loyalists who do zero cross-shopping with other brands and have no basis of comparison. But that's not a healthy way to grow a brand in a world that will soon become EV-only, something we know Toyota is very much against.
And there is absolutely no guarantee that this will be reliable. It's brand new technology and Toyota's reliability record stems from doing what's tried and true. This is ground zero for them. And don't forget- this isn't just Toyota engineering, Subaru was involved as well. Reliability is a shot in the dark.
Power-wise, every single EV competitor offers a bare minimum of around 300 HP in their AWD versions. This is not considered "fast" like a Tesla performance. Unless Toyota somehow prices their EV substantially cheaper than the competitors, there is absolutely no reason for their car to have less power than any one of its rivals.
lol, there isn't a single item on this list that will draw people away from any one of its competitors, many of whom have these same features. And since when has having a yoke in any street car, no matter how ugly, ever been a "positive"? The Model S's ugly yoke doesn't change the fact that it's still the best EV on the market.
Exactly, it is as I said before- a vehicle for Toyota loyalists who do zero cross-shopping with other brands and have no basis of comparison. But that's not a healthy way to grow a brand in a world that will soon become EV-only, something we know Toyota is very much against.
And there is absolutely no guarantee that this will be reliable. It's brand new technology and Toyota's reliability record stems from doing what's tried and true. This is ground zero for them. And don't forget- this isn't just Toyota engineering, Subaru was involved as well. Reliability is a shot in the dark.