I don’t think many people think,this way.

Which is why snow tires are so important

 

How has the US protected domestic market when the Japanese and Korean automakers pretty much have taken over.

Just wait until the Chinese cars come - they will be much cheaper and will dominate the low end EV market in next decade. Most brands that we know today will not exist imo.

 

More than you think.....particularly in this area, where a lot of people don't know how to drive in snow. You come from a part of the country where severe winter storms are a fact of life, and many drivers are used to it. Down here, people buy Jeeps and AWD vehicles, think they know what they are doing in the uncommon deep snows when often they don't, and the result is predictable.

 

I don’t remember a winter in a long time where I would see vehicles stuck in the snow because of overconfidence. I don’t people think like this.

 

Back on topic, on the next 10 years of Stellantis, I think a good seller is going to be the new Jeep Grand Wagoneer when it hits the market.....although, of course, it will be competing with full-sized SUVs from Ford and GM (and, to a lesser extent, Toyota/Lexus and Nissan /Infiniti), that are already well-established on the market.

 

Exactly.....

 

Exactly. There is no data on the % of a-hole Jeep drivers vs. other brands. But 100% that if all Jeeps disappeared tomorrow, all those drivers would find another brand of vehicle to drive in the same manner. I've seen a-hole Prius drivers for Pete's sake.

 

Well, that was my point.....in your part of the country, what you say is generally true. But, around the D.C. area, during the uncommon deep snowstorms, particularly before they get the roads clear, there are numerous mishaps with AWD vehicles because the drivers are overconfident.

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I've seen a-hole Prius drivers for Pete's sake.

I have too, but it is rare, at least when it comes to actual aggressive-driving.....most Prius models simply don't have enough power for it, and it takes them too long to get rolling.

It's not a complete stereotype, but Prius drivers are more likely to be snobbish, and think that they are the Planet's Saviours, because they drive an eco-friendly vehicle.

 

Well they are some of the fastest in their classes.....

 

I have never seen Jeeps driven aggressively lol. Jeep is, IMO, the only arm of Chrysler that is worth keeping.

 

It's already happening. All major manufacturers have Chinese partners in order to even qualify to do business in China. Lexus UX 300e rides on Toyota's Chinese partner BEV powertrain, just like Mazdas MX30.

I just find it amazing how the Chinese government tosses around all of the western $ hungry corporations and western governments just stand there and watch, doing nothing. It must have been easier than they thought it would be. I've never heard of a case where the western government has told any of the Chinese cotton manufacturers they have to partner up with western apparel brands to pave their way into Chinese market with no import tariffs in order to sell their cotton on the western market. That would just make too much sense.

Chinese car brands are coming (either repackaged or with their own brand) and they will be taking over the bottom of the barrel space while slowly moving into the bread and butter mid-price market In 30 years from now Civic will be a relic being replaced by some Chinese autonomous box.

 

The UXe is made in Japan. But some CH-R models including the EV model is made in China. Toyota has been making Chinese made models with a partnership since 2004. Still a Toyota platform.

I don't think the Chinese car brands will make to North America.... some Chinese made America brands most likely will...Buick is already here. Volvo. Even Tesla now exports from China to the UK..

What would be the alternative to the above?

 

Most of the Jeeps that I see are just going about their business like the rest of the traffic. I'm sure some Trackhawks or SRT's might get aggressive now and then but it's no different than other brands that have high performance models.

 

Just like every other brand of car. Trying to stereotype bad driving as associated with any one brand is just silly.

 

sorry, i deleted that. but to wish that jeep just goes away and broad brush statements about all jeep drivers being aggressive seems uncalled for also.