Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to electric vehicles
07-28-21, 10:28 AM
#181
Lexus Fanatic
This all reminds me of converting power plants from coal and nuclear to natural gas. So not only will some vehicles, lots of homes and businesses use Natural gas now we rely on it to produce electricity - what happens in a generation or two when natural gas becomes short in supply?
I love my 450h and think there is a place for full EV but let's not be short sighted and get rid of gasoline vehicles. Let's also continue to produce electricity by all means possible to not put all eggs into one basket !
07-28-21, 10:31 AM
#183
Intermediate
Steve--You're a welcome breath of sanity. My apartment building has 18 parking spots in the garage, and no chargers. Two of the spots have Teslas. There used to be a third, but he moved. Being a tenant obviously doesn't preclude owning an EV.
07-28-21, 10:36 AM
#184
Lexus Test Driver
The materials in batteries are expensive and valuable. There are multiple battery recycling centers being built as they want to reclaim the raw materials. They all use the same grid but BEVs require a 3rd of the electricity requirements vs. creating compressed hydrogen for fuel...so BEVs are about 3x more efficient than hydrogen fuel cell cars.
07-28-21, 10:38 AM
#185
Lexus Fanatic
80-90% of the material in a 18650 cell is reclaimable.
Well obviously, we don't have a Mr. Fusion yet.
What we are trying to do is produce and store energy as efficiently as possible. Currently, a BEV is the most efficient form of transport (2x or better than a fuel cell vehicle).
...and their constant need for a recharge.
We're all acting like batteries are the only solution next to death!
07-28-21, 10:40 AM
#186
The materials in batteries are expensive and valuable. There are multiple battery recycling centers being built as they want to reclaim the raw materials. They all use the same grid but BEVs require a 3rd of the electricity requirements vs. creating compressed hydrogen for fuel...so BEVs are about 3x more efficient than hydrogen fuel cell cars.
And your claim about efficiency is a far stretch, it's far more nuanced than that.
07-28-21, 10:40 AM
#187
Lexus Test Driver
80-90% of the material in a 18650 cell is reclaimable.
Well obviously, we don't have a Mr. Fusion yet.
What we are trying to do is produce and store energy as efficiently as possible. Currently, a BEV is the most efficient form of transport (2x or better than a fuel cell vehicle).
Well obviously, we don't have a Mr. Fusion yet.
What we are trying to do is produce and store energy as efficiently as possible. Currently, a BEV is the most efficient form of transport (2x or better than a fuel cell vehicle).
This article helps explain the difference from well to wheel. it claims 2-3x more efficiency for BEV vs. hydrogen.
07-28-21, 10:44 AM
#188
Lexus Test Driver
Do you know that only about 5% of lithium batteries get recycled? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779
And your claim about efficiency is a far stretch, it's far more nuanced than that.
And your claim about efficiency is a far stretch, it's far more nuanced than that.
07-28-21, 10:44 AM
#189
Lexus Fanatic
Do you know that only about 5% of lithium batteries get recycled? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56574779
And your claim about efficiency is a far stretch, it's far more nuanced than that.
07-28-21, 10:45 AM
#190
Lexus Fanatic
And more and more buildings will install chargers as the market demands they be installed and it benefits the property managers to do so.
07-28-21, 10:55 AM
#191
07-28-21, 11:06 AM
#192
Lexus Fanatic
Like someone else said, just own the fact that you dont want an EV. You can not want one without pretending they wont work for the majority of people.
Perhaps, but so far I haven't seen the trend, at least not in the NE. It is expensive, slow and disruptive process, it requires dealing with multiple agencies, and when its being done its mostly for tax credits, and then you see regular cars occupying these spots.
07-28-21, 11:08 AM
#193
Lexus Fanatic
07-28-21, 11:19 AM
#194
Forum Administrator
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och, exit this thread. Zero tolerance here such strange rude sexual political comments. Do not repeat this in future threads on our community
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07-28-21, 11:19 AM
#195
Toyoda.. The boss.
He had his shot with Tesla 12+/- years ago. He blew it then and has not recovered with a plan.
He had his shot with Tesla 12+/- years ago. He blew it then and has not recovered with a plan.
So, like any mega business... To survive they will do anything.. And so far? He, Toyoda, is proving the darker side lives.
To bad too... I like my 2006 LS. The last of the best.
To bad too... I like my 2006 LS. The last of the best.