Tesla not making money: company will soon be bankrupt
Tesla making money: earnings don't mean anything
I wonder how long investors will tolerate Toyoda's nonsense before they start to bail in large numbers.

 

If the rest are offering "Meh" Toyota's offerings are REALLY pathetic.

 

So hilarious lol

 

"Toyota will get their act together when the time is right" - that's a statement I see a lot on this forum. . Is that "Toyoda Time" time? lol At least Elon has competition now - "Elon Time".

 

Your logic is reversed. Electric car sales are 2% because people clearly don’t want them? Or it’s 2% because there are no good offerings from mainstream manufacturers?

as pointed out above, EV sales in California are 9%. I’d guess that metropolitan cities around the coast have similar high EV adoption rates. Middle America is what’s pushing down your EV statistic. Combine that 9% figure with the fact that California has the highest number of car sales, saying that clearly nobody wants electric is denial

 

I have a lot of respect for VW to shift so quickly when they felt the market changing. They went all in on EVs and will reap the benefit of being a fast follower. Thats not to say that Toyota isn't taking the right approach for them as they don't really believe in BEVs (as indicated by their mgmt). They should double down on their belief and produce hydrogen fuel cell cars and hybrids and forget BEV if thats the case instead of trying to slow down EV adoption (kinda pathetic). Compete instead of whining to the government.

 

I'm tellin ya, once range is sorted and there are a bunch of good offerings that are mainstream in appearance and feel, buyers are going to prefer EVs.

 

Well the article is referring to Toyota lobbying the US so it is about the US. Whether or not Toyota is behind is another discussion.

Umm how is the electric motors different in a hybrid vs an EV? How is the battery different in an EV vs the ones in a hybrid other than size and capacity? Why does Toyota need an EV, like, right now? How do we know Toyota's first gen isnt going to be better than anybody's 2nd or 3rd gen? Toyota has been producing electric motors and batteries for like 20 yrs. I'm sure they know a thing or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 about electrification. Can the power systems in the various cities handle the huge electrical demand? My office building that was built in the last 20yrs, if more a a few people have those small electric portable heaters running, the fuse box gets tripped and that's in NY.

What is the EV range in a vehicle similar in size to the UX?

 

"But EV's only make up 2% of worldwide sales" - so why even bother to whine about EV's to the US and Japanese governments??

 

If I can fully charge the thing in 5 minutes without having to retrofit my home or scramble to find charging stations because everyone is parking their cars at chargers, I'm good to go. I shouldnt be inconvenienced when getting into new tech, that is not progress.

 

Honestly, I think Toyota knows they mistimed the market. EVs are happening quicker than they anticipated and is now behind the competition. I don't believe that Toyota is ahead in this EV game at all because even the Germans are now finding out that its not hardware prowess that's driving EV development but software expertise. Tesla has it in spades and so they are easily leading...VW had major delays due to software issues and are now just getting it sorted (and they are the biggest auto OEM in the world) and even Porsche is finding that OTA software is harder than it looks and forcing recalls through its dealership network.

If Toyota has a weakness, its software and they've always been bad at it. I bet they're finding that the BMS software is extremely complex and not so easy to get right especially to their high standards. They're probably worried about the incentives that will flow to the OEMs driving EV sales and they may not have a competitive offering at that time so they're lobbying to slow down efforts. Will be interesting how the market develops in the next 3 years.

 

VW's EVs are nice not perfect but you have to start somewhere. The Mach E from an engineering standpoint is a bit of a cobbled together mess (especially the cooling/heating system) but they will improve. Very rarely can you hit a grand slam, it takes iterations. Look at the original Prius the electronics are quite hilarious it looks more like a prototype than a production car. But didn't matter Toyota build the foundation and improved.
Haha. Elon time is something else.

 

If the US Govt all of a sudden said all ICEs old and new are banned in a yrs time, what would you do? WHat can you do? I'm probably gonna have to start riding a human powered bike.

 

Thats a moot point...govt is not going to do that. I say don't slow down the pace of innovation, out compete it with your products. BTW, I have an eBike and its awesome

 

Okay, so Toyota knows how to make a hybrid. They already make like 20 different ones. If its so easy to migrate that technology to a full BEV, why havent they done so already? I dont think its as simple as you would think. And yes, Toyota has been using batteries for 20 years, but they are NMH. They are so reluctant to switch to lithium and probably havent invested that much into securing Li Ion batteries