Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to electric vehicles
07-27-21, 09:01 AM
#46
They are not going to do that, they are going to make it prohibitively expensive, but electrics are going to be expensive too. Consumers in the US have been absolutely spoiled with low prices on cars and most other goods, besides housing, and now the prices on everything are skyrocketing. Get used to the new reality, lol.
07-27-21, 09:06 AM
#47
Lexus Fanatic
Hyper inflation has nothing to do with electric vehicles, although EVs are dropping in price.
07-27-21, 09:07 AM
#48
AFAIK, all of the BEVs on the markets right now, besides Tesla of course, are still based on heavily modified ICE platforms, so they are half assed compromised efforts. All the hype aside, there are many problems with EV charging infrastructure that are not realistically solvable. Toyota is very pragmatic and they are clearly putting more faith in hydrogen, and it might just very well be the future. We'll see if we live long enough.
07-27-21, 09:21 AM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
Okay, so Toyota knows how to make a hybrid. They already make like 20 different ones. If its so easy to migrate that technology to a full BEV, why havent they done so already? I dont think its as simple as you would think. And yes, Toyota has been using batteries for 20 years, but they are NMH. They are so reluctant to switch to lithium and probably havent invested that
much into security Li Ion batteries
much into security Li Ion batteries
07-27-21, 09:25 AM
#50
EV ftw!!!
Why bother, if it's only "2%"? Seriously. Your statement is full of contradictions - you say hybrids/plugins are becoming even more popular, yet Toyota will move into BEV's...........
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07-27-21, 09:46 AM
#51
Is Toyota Delaying EV Production on Purpose???
According to a New York Times report, the world’s largest vehicle manufacturer is actively trying to slow down EV adoption in a bid to save its investment in the FCEV and plug-in hybrid segment: https://electricvehicleforums.com/ar...g-ev-adoption/
07-27-21, 09:47 AM
#52
Lexus Fanatic
Umm how is the electric motors different in a hybrid vs an EV? How is the battery different in an EV vs the ones in a hybrid other than size and capacity? Why does Toyota need an EV, like, right now? How do we know Toyota's first gen isnt going to be better than anybody's 2nd or 3rd gen? Toyota has been producing electric motors and batteries for like 20 yrs. I'm sure they know a thing or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 about electrification. Can the power systems in the various cities handle the huge electrical demand? My office building that was built in the last 20yrs, if more a a few people have those small electric portable heaters running, the fuse box gets tripped and that's in NY.
What is the EV range in a vehicle similar in size to the UX?
07-27-21, 09:47 AM
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I feel like we are talking in circles but I will make one last comment. I stated that Toyota already makes like 20 different hybrid vehicles ranging from all size and classes. They are great cars and yes, they sell. Does it make sense for them to make more of them? Or, does it make sense for them to diversify their portfolio and create at the very least 1 BEV. Toyota is the richest automaker in the world (I think). They probably could, but they have deliberately chosen not to. Instead, they are on their second generation hydrogen car. What does that tell you about their internal plans and investments? The Japanese government and Toyota had major plans for hydrogen but the adoption has been painfully slow and sales numbers aren't accelerating as fast as BEV. It's very clear to some of us that Toyota made a bet on the wrong technology, and now it will take a while for them to change gears. This idea of having hybrids as a stop gap solution was fine maybe 10 years ago, but is unacceptable now. I am sure high level executives at Toyota are looking 10, 15, 20 years into the future. The fact that other carmakers are already coming out with 2nd generation BEV makes it pretty obvious Toyota was making the wrong moves about a decade ago.
07-27-21, 09:48 AM
#54
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Just remember, there was a time that hybrids were way less than 2% in the US...and Toyota invested there. Bottom line is Toyota is just woefully behind the curve here.
07-27-21, 09:57 AM
#55
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I feel like we are talking in circles but I will make one last comment. I stated that Toyota already makes like 20 different hybrid vehicles ranging from all size and classes. They are great cars and yes, they sell. Does it make sense for them to make more of them? Or, does it make sense for them to diversify their portfolio and create at the very least 1 BEV. Toyota is the richest automaker in the world (I think). They probably could, but they have deliberately chosen not to. Instead, they are on their second generation hydrogen car. What does that tell you about their internal plans and investments? The Japanese government and Toyota had major plans for hydrogen but the adoption has been painfully slow and sales numbers aren't accelerating as fast as BEV. It's very clear to some of us that Toyota made a bet on the wrong technology, and now it will take a while for them to change gears. This idea of having hybrids as a stop gap solution was fine maybe 10 years ago, but is unacceptable now. I am sure high level executives at Toyota are looking 10, 15, 20 years into the future. The fact that other carmakers are already coming out with 2nd generation BEV makes it pretty obvious Toyota was making the wrong moves about a decade ago.
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07-27-21, 10:16 AM
#56
Lexus Fanatic
Market share of BEVs in 2030 will the same percentage as BEVs Toyota has in their lineup? That is an amazing coincidence.
07-27-21, 10:19 AM
#57
Lexus Test Driver
False logic. Just because Toyota's portfolio has 15% of its fleet as BEV, doesn't mean BEV = 15% of market share. It all depends on portfolio mix and in no way relate to each other.
07-27-21, 10:23 AM
#58
For 2022 will be the Toyota BZ4X, Toyota plans to expand to around 70 electrified models globally by 2025. This future lineup will feature 15 dedicated BEVs, including seven carrying the bZ (Beyond Zero) brand moniker. In addition, Toyota intends to bring electrification to its pickup truck lineup in the near future.
07-27-21, 10:36 AM
#59
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07-27-21, 11:01 AM
#60
The current state of EV tech has more or less plateaued, and it just simply will never work for a huge percentage of drivers.