Toyota is also the largest contributor to right wing politicians in the auto industry, for the same reason. Thats all because they've gotten caught with their pants down here.

My point is, there is a market for EVs, so aside from any Government pressure to force carmakers to develop EVs, EVs are coming because the market wants them.

 

my comment was directed at people who won’t buy an EV because of charging times that aren’t similar to filling up gas.

But to answer your point, people also go to malls, to restaurants etc. so many lots have chargers now. Even my apartment complex recently installed a handful of chargers in our garage. Obviously if you can’t charge at work or at home, you’re likely not going to buy an EV. But if you can and still aren’t buying an EV because of this mentality that you want to be able to recharge in 5 minutes like a filling up a gas car, then it is illogical.

 

The bottom line is, most people can charge from home. Even if you can't today, a quality EV gets just as much range as a gas car on a tank, you're talking about needing to charge it once per week.

 

They do not. A Camry gets 624 miles of highway range. Nowhere near the cost of a EV. Nowhere near as heavy. 493 combined miles. 5 min fuel refill time

 

I see, most people must be living in houses with 2 car garages with high output chargers preinstalled, lol.

 

A Camry Hybrid does, not a gas Camry. Very few cars get that kind of range. As for "nowhere near the cost of an EV" well that depends on the EV and on the Camry.

And my point stands, most people don't drive more than 300 miles a week, so they would have to recharge once a week or so if they are unable to charge at home. If they catch a charge when they are out and about doing errands, they may never have to deliberately recharge.

 

70% of Americans live in a single family home. 63% of all housing units have a garage or carport nationwide. You don't need a garage to charge, you need a charging station. Of course if one buys an EV one would want to buy a high output charger just as one has their house adapted to any other high current draw addition they choose to get

 

Total range combined of a Camry is 506 miles. Hybrid is 696miles. The fuel costs are $1500 and $900

no EV comes close to the range.

 

506 miles is a lot less than what you originally said lol, and most cars underperform EPA estimates, Camry owners are going to get 380-420 miles of range typically before they refuel. Thats what I always got in my ES sedans with the same engine.

None of that changes the point, the vast majority of people do not drive 300 miles per week or more, so they would not have to recharge more than once a week.

 

The bottom line is, for people who have the ability to charge at home, EVs make sense, but for those who need to rely on a charging station, no way.

 

I had said 624 highway range. EPA combined range is 506 which is more than what I said.

 

This is exactly the case. But also EVs cost more money as well to buy. EVs will inflate the price to buy a car. Not everyone who has a home with garage wants to pay more for a EV

 

I really don't think its that big a deal now in a metropolitan area, and down the line will be even less of a big deal.

EV prices will come down with time, and if it becomes easier to have an EV than a gas car, they will.

There is coming a time, within the next 15-20 years or so, where there will be very few gasoline cars sold. With that will come reductions in the amount of gas stations and it will become quite difficult to drive a gas car day to day.

For instance, we are very close to it being impossible to drive a gas car in certain cities, like London....NYC is the logical first US city.

 

I used to think EVs were illogical, but I have been swayed over the past couple of years.

I like no gas. I can charge at home, at most shopping centers and a lot of larger restaurants and hotels. I have zero concern about day to day charging. If I were to take a long road trip, I would need to plan it out and understand where a charging station might be.

I like the idea of no oil changes and less dealers visits. Works for me. Plus, the instant torque is incredible.

There will be naysayers, but I think Toyota went in the wrong direction. They are slow to react to customer preferences and those are increasingly moving towards full electric. Look at the number of manufacturers on this train. Even Ford F150s will be moving in this direction.

Again works for me and an increasing amount of consumers.

 

its a free country and they don’t have to (yet). The point is that there are enough buyers for Toyota to justify making one. In fact you remind us they are at the forefront of hybrid technology using batteries and motors 20 plus years ago. One would naturally expect they would be first to bring a competitive EV to market. But they still haven’t. Please don’t keep talking about the concept they just announced. We have other automakers making their second generation EVs. Bottom line is Toyota is late to the game for whatever reason and now is trying to influence government to slow EV adoption to protect their profits. And if you are going to reuse your argument that there is no market for EVs, I can say the same about their hydrogen car so why do they make that?