Toyota Avalon Is Dead In The US After 2022 Model Year
08-03-21, 08:22 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
The idea that younger people won't drive sedans of this class is nonsense....that is a stereotype that is often claimed but inaccurate.
For one thing, although many of them, for various reasons, don't have the money for new vehicles, look at all of the Millennials that are still running around in older Buicks.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/m8ovdek/
08-03-21, 08:23 AM
#17
As far as I know, with the axing of the Impala, Lacrosse, Taurus, Cadenza, Azera, and now the Avalon, if I'm not mistaken, that leaves NO large sedans (by today's standards) left in the American market in the moderately-priced class....unless one wants to do what Steve did and look at six-figure (or near six-figure) sedans. The K900, CT6, and Continental formerly occupied the upmarket large-sedan class...now they are gone (or going). The Genesis G90 is left......but it is also clearly upmarket and priced closer to six-figures than something like the Avalon.
Yep....sad day.
Yep....sad day.
08-03-21, 08:24 AM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
08-03-21, 08:27 AM
#19
Lexus Champion
As far as I know, with the axing of the Impala, Lacrosse, Taurus, Cadenza, Azera, and now the Avalon, if I'm not mistaken, that leaves NO large sedans (by today's standards) left in the American market in the moderately-priced class....unless one wants to do what Steve did and look at six-figure (or near six-figure) sedans. The K900, CT6, and Continental formerly occupied the upmarket large-sedan class...now they are gone (or going). The Genesis G90 is left......but it is also clearly upmarket and priced closer to six-figures than something like the Avalon.
Yep....sad day.
Yep....sad day.
08-03-21, 08:32 AM
#20
Great car. 300K trouble free miles. Big back seat.
Owners love 'em.
I dunno the price difference between the Avalon and Lexus ES350.
The front of the Avalon got pretty bad, though.
Owners love 'em.
I dunno the price difference between the Avalon and Lexus ES350.
The front of the Avalon got pretty bad, though.
08-03-21, 08:34 AM
#22
Lexus Fanatic
From what I understand, the 300 is on borrowed time. And, yes, I forgot the Maxima......Hoovey mentioned that. It is, however, at least IMO, a sport-sedan, not really in the same comfort-oriented class as some of those former competitors.
08-03-21, 08:41 AM
#23
Lexus Fanatic
Makes sense. Just doesnt make sense to sell this car alongside the ES in a climate with shrinking sedan sales.
Just buy a Lexus ES. Its exactly the same car except even better for a little more money. The Genesis G80 also has a great ride and great space.
As far as I know, with the axing of the Impala, Lacrosse, Taurus, Cadenza, Azera, and now the Avalon, if I'm not mistaken, that leaves NO large sedans (by today's standards) left in the American market in the moderately-priced class....unless one wants to do what Steve did and look at six-figure (or near six-figure) sedans. The K900, CT6, and Continental formerly occupied the upmarket large-sedan class...now they are gone (or going). The Genesis G90 is left......but it is also clearly upmarket and priced closer to six-figures than something like the Avalon.
Yep....sad day.
Yep....sad day.
08-03-21, 08:41 AM
#24
Lexus Champion
The idea that younger people won't drive sedans of this class is nonsense....that is a stereotype that is often claimed but inaccurate.
For one thing, although many of them, for various reasons, don't have the money for new vehicles, look at all of the Millennials that are still running around in older Buicks.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/m8ovdek/
For one thing, although many of them, for various reasons, don't have the money for new vehicles, look at all of the Millennials that are still running around in older Buicks.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/m8ovdek/
08-03-21, 08:56 AM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
The numbers show the story. Its fine to say "people want to drive sedans" but they aren't buying sedans. They build what people want. Sales of the Avalon and the ES have come down considerably over the last few years, it just makes sense to make a stand with just one model since the cars are so closely related.
And again Mike, you yourself abandoned sedans for a crossover...
And again Mike, you yourself abandoned sedans for a crossover...
08-03-21, 09:05 AM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
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The numbers show the story. Its fine to say "people want to drive sedans" but they aren't buying sedans. They build what people want. Sales of the Avalon and the ES have come down considerably over the last few years, it just makes sense to make a stand with just one model since the cars are so closely related.
And again Mike, you yourself abandoned sedans for a crossover...
mmarshall - you said the big sedan was not maneuverable, and it's obviously not as handy without the rear cargo space a cuv/suv can offer. and not as easy to get in and out of.
08-03-21, 09:06 AM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
08-03-21, 09:08 AM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
I see 300's everywhere, they should keep it going, just improve it. I doubt many of their buyers care if it sits on a old platform.
08-03-21, 09:24 AM
#29
While the charger eating all the large sedan sales, 300 can still live on or change to a magnum
08-03-21, 09:27 AM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
Oh, I certainly agree. The automakers will probably regret the loss of most, if not all, of the sedans if or when the crossover-craze ends.
Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.