Toyota Avalon Is Dead In The US After 2022 Model Year
08-03-21, 09:36 AM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
If the crossover craze ends and people shift back to sedans, that will be a gradual process and they will simply develop sedans and phase out crossovers. No big deal.
In a business you cant keep producing products that people don't want simply in case one day they may want them.
In a business you cant keep producing products that people don't want simply in case one day they may want them.
08-03-21, 09:42 AM
#32
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08-03-21, 10:00 AM
#33
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Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.
08-03-21, 11:42 AM
#34
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I feel the Venza should have been the Avalon replacement and provided a good size up for a comfortable 2-row Midsize utility. Unfortunately, while Venza got some of the premium style and interior, the size is nearly the exact same as a RAV4 Hybrid. Just a touch small in my opinion.
08-03-21, 11:43 AM
#35
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Oh, I certainly agree. The automakers will probably regret the loss of most, if not all, of the sedans if or when the crossover-craze ends.
Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.
Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.
10-20 years ago I would have purchased a BMW 3/5 series or an X3/5/6, today I prefer an RX over cramped sedans/quasi sports vehicles with tight suspension and steering. I am stuck in traffic with everyone else, so I don't need the added performance characteristics. They are great cars, but like I said, the population is aging and so are the needs of the typical buyers. Hell Tesla drivers want the car to drive for them.
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08-03-21, 11:54 AM
#36
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Oh, I certainly agree. The automakers will probably regret the loss of most, if not all, of the sedans if or when the crossover-craze ends.
Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.
Bob Lutz, though (an auto executive whom I admit I have a lot of respect for), disagrees.....he thinks crossovers are here to stay, that it is not just a passing fad, and that they are simply replacing the former sedan market because of greater versatility.
08-03-21, 12:01 PM
#37
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08-03-21, 12:04 PM
#38
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I don't think kids being born today will even buy cars. They will use ride sharing/self-driving technology and gravitate towards communities with everything close by. I know many 18-25 year old's who don't even want a car. Uber or walking is easy and less problematic especially if you factor in car insurance for that age group and avoiding DUI's, etc.
08-03-21, 12:08 PM
#39
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08-03-21, 12:08 PM
#40
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08-03-21, 12:19 PM
#41
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08-03-21, 12:23 PM
#42
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A bit off topic, but I really don't understand those who seem to think the manufacturers will be unable to bring sedans back if the demand for them returns. Just as pretty much all manufacturers have added CUV after CUV to their lineup, they will do the same with sedans if there is a need. They're not crossing some "point of no return" when they kill of sedans in their lineup.
If I were looking for something in this class, I would have been hard pressed to find a compelling reason to chose an Avalon over an ES.
If I were looking for something in this class, I would have been hard pressed to find a compelling reason to chose an Avalon over an ES.
08-03-21, 12:30 PM
#43
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I don't think kids being born today will even buy cars. They will use ride sharing/self-driving technology and gravitate towards communities with everything close by. I know many 18-25 year old's who don't even want a car. Uber or walking is easy and less problematic especially if you factor in car insurance for that age group and avoiding DUI's, etc.
08-03-21, 12:45 PM
#44
Lexus Fanatic
Not on my part, we don't. While it is true that demand for sedans went down, it is also true that GM's arrogance killed their sedans...they killed them because they wanted people in higher-profit SUVs. People obviously can't buy what isn't offered. And it cost them the largest and most widespread UAW strike in 50 years.
08-03-21, 12:47 PM
#45
Lexus Fanatic
By then, government regulations probably won't allow them to change their minds. We are already starting to see the eventual deaths of ICEs.....and, after that, of privately-owned vehicles, period, even EVs.