Lexus ES, Toyota Camry (v6) and Toyota Avalon..same?
08-06-21, 08:35 PM
#31
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08-06-21, 08:40 PM
#32
If the only exposure one has to AWD is through one of those basic on-demand Haldex systems like in the RX, then yeah you won't notice much of a difference in day-to-day driving. On RWD-biased or full-time systems like Subaru's and Audi's, it not only helps with bad weather but also makes the driving dynamics much more planted.
08-07-21, 10:21 AM
#34
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A legit AWD system is awesome, doesn't help you stop any better. Toyota's AWD system in most of their hybrids is terrible it may as well not be there at all. It has improved in the latest models though.
08-07-21, 10:25 AM
#35
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Lex2k... was curious on my 2009 rx, was the awd system ok? Soso? Or decent?
does lexus/toyota have any good awd systems? If so, on which model vehicles? I've always liked the bigger cars (LS, GS even the IS).
does lexus/toyota have any good awd systems? If so, on which model vehicles? I've always liked the bigger cars (LS, GS even the IS).
08-07-21, 10:59 AM
#36
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does lexus/toyota have any good awd systems? If so, on which model vehicles? I've always liked the bigger cars (LS, GS even the IS).
08-07-21, 11:11 AM
#37
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Cool, thanks. My rx is conventional, not hybrid.
i think alot of auto companies are going with the awd route, especially in places with snow, telling people that the NEED to have awd systems. And as mentioned, not all awd systems are the same. I think that most are almost just to say, sure, it's an awd...nothing more.
subaru does have a good system, only thing is that their 2012+ models now have cvt's (that's for another topic)! As well, i find their bodies are soso concerning rust, unless they got better recently?
fab
i think alot of auto companies are going with the awd route, especially in places with snow, telling people that the NEED to have awd systems. And as mentioned, not all awd systems are the same. I think that most are almost just to say, sure, it's an awd...nothing more.
subaru does have a good system, only thing is that their 2012+ models now have cvt's (that's for another topic)! As well, i find their bodies are soso concerning rust, unless they got better recently?
fab
08-07-21, 11:19 AM
#38
Toyota hybrids use an e-axle which is essentially an electric motor in place of a differential, but again you won't notice the effects unless there's slip.
08-07-21, 11:21 AM
#39
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I wouldn't buy a Subaru not convinced they have solved their head gasket failures. Winter can be quite harsh here only time I get stuck is if the snow pack is higher than the ground clearance of my car, which is almost never. I drive a FWD car in the winter months. AWD is mostly a false security blanket plus most vehicles that are AWD happen to be SUVs that flip over easily. Any time I see a crash because of bad weather almost guaranteed it is an AWD SUV, probably upside down in the ditch.
I am not against AWD in fact I think a good AWD system is awesome but it does not replace good tires, good driving practices and doesn't make a top heavy car any safer.
I'm okay with the system not driving the rear wheels most of the time to save fuel, but when you need traction you don't get it. The "real" AWD/4WD Toyota's are much better from what I've read/seen.
I am not against AWD in fact I think a good AWD system is awesome but it does not replace good tires, good driving practices and doesn't make a top heavy car any safer.
The RX uses a Haldex AWD system that only turns on if it detects slip, so 90% of the time you're driving a FWD car. The only Toyota/Lexus products that have true AWD or rear-biased AWD are their truck-based SUV's like the 4Runner/GX and Land Cruiser/LX, or their more premium sport and luxury sedans like the IS, GS, and LS which use a Torsen AWD system.
08-07-21, 12:10 PM
#40
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Wow, so a Lexus gs, Ls and Is awd systems are actually better than on my rx?
As far as subaru's go, i believe they fixed the head gasket issue, and have moved to timing chains instead of belts. For me it's the body holding up to rust and that they now use cvt's...not for me.
i agree that good winter tires are important, and that often awd vehicles give people a false sense of safety. Good driving habits are crucial, especially in winter.
I do like the IS sedans, but i think they are too small for a family of 4, right?
fab
As far as subaru's go, i believe they fixed the head gasket issue, and have moved to timing chains instead of belts. For me it's the body holding up to rust and that they now use cvt's...not for me.
i agree that good winter tires are important, and that often awd vehicles give people a false sense of safety. Good driving habits are crucial, especially in winter.
I do like the IS sedans, but i think they are too small for a family of 4, right?
fab
08-07-21, 12:11 PM
#41
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08-07-21, 01:36 PM
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08-07-21, 01:40 PM
#43
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Why are people surprised by this? Original RAV4 was a mash up between two sedan platforms the Camry and Corolla. Same basic formula is used to this day take a sedan chassis make it taller.
08-08-21, 06:35 AM
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this is for the prior gen santa fe, but assume it's the same as the system on my '21.
HTRAC Advanced AWD System
The 2019 Santa Fe has Hyundai’s HTRAC® All-Wheel-Drive (AWD) system. The HTRAC AWD system was developed as a multi-mode system, providing an electronic, variable-torque-split clutch with active torque control between the front and rear axles. The driver-selectable HTRAC Normal, Sport and Smart modes help provide confident control in all weather conditions. The Sport setting gives a more agile feel by sending more available torque to the rear wheels, for a sporty dynamic feel when desired. This system has a wider range of torque distribution variability than many competitive systems and has been tuned to conditions such as straight-line acceleration, medium- and high-speed cornering, and hill starts.
The 2019 Santa Fe has Hyundai’s HTRAC® All-Wheel-Drive (AWD) system. The HTRAC AWD system was developed as a multi-mode system, providing an electronic, variable-torque-split clutch with active torque control between the front and rear axles. The driver-selectable HTRAC Normal, Sport and Smart modes help provide confident control in all weather conditions. The Sport setting gives a more agile feel by sending more available torque to the rear wheels, for a sporty dynamic feel when desired. This system has a wider range of torque distribution variability than many competitive systems and has been tuned to conditions such as straight-line acceleration, medium- and high-speed cornering, and hill starts.
08-08-21, 06:40 AM
#45
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It’s permanent full-time all wheel drive for 2009. In 2010, Lexus moved to 100% based fwd then on demand system. Before that the awd always worked, not sure how much the split was but the split was permanent
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