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Old 08-15-21, 01:58 PM
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I somewhat disagree. Americans are stubborn. I know endless people (from all political spectrums) who hate EVs just as much as I do and do not want them. Then all this forced electrification will turn into people being even more stubborn, and we know how that goes in this country. My 70 y/o mother knows a little about cars, said she would keep her Enclave indefinitely and just never buy another car again. That car has a great V6. There will be people like me driving ancient LX570s, and adding to the reasons I'll keep it until I'm dead is the Marlboro Man 5.7 V8 rumbling under the hood.

You can lead an American to water, but can't force him/her to drink it. There will be tonnnnnnns of us who just won't be having EVs, huge pushback.
Let's see how "stubborn" they'll remain when gas prices reach $6 a gallon like in Europe and the only new ICE vehicles offered will be crappy 4-pot hybrids.

It'll be the 1970s oil crisis all over again, and we all saw how Americans reacted to that.
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Let's see how "stubborn" they'll remain when gas prices reach $6 a gallon like in Europe and the only new ICE vehicles offered will be crappy 4-pot hybrids.
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I don't see gas that expensive happening, at least in the next 20-30 years. Gas is expensive right now but it will go back down eventually after certain things happen.

I would still drive my LX with $6 gas (screw em!); granted we don't drive much so it wouldn't be a humongous deal cost wise. Trucks that transport our goods across the country aren't going EV anytime soon (regardless of what Time magazine says) and they rely on fossil fuels. I really don't think gas will be expensive like this forever, it will go back down.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I don't see gas that expensive happening, at least in the next 20-30 years. Gas is expensive right now but it will go back down eventually after certain things happen.
I'm sure many Americans thought the same thing before the oil crisis hit.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Let's see how "stubborn" they'll remain when gas prices reach $6 a gallon like in Europe and the only new ICE vehicles offered will be crappy 4-pot hybrids.

It'll be the 1970s oil crisis all over again, and we all saw how Americans reacted to that.

In the 1970s, though, we did not have EV options like we do today, although the lack of available charges in some homes is going to be a definite problem.
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In the 1970s, though, we did not have EV options like we do today, although the lack of available charges in some homes is going to be a definite problem.
You're right, instead the oil crisis paved the way for our beloved Japanese brands with their fuel-sipping econoboxes that enabled them to take over the entire American auto industry overnight.

Rinse and repeat with EV's...
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I don't see gas that expensive happening, at least in the next 20-30 years. Gas is expensive right now but it will go back down eventually after certain things happen.
i disagree. It will hit $6 and more due to coming taxes. No getting around it.

I would still drive my LX with $6 gas (screw em!); granted we don't drive much so it wouldn't be a humongous deal cost wise. Trucks that transport our goods across the country aren't going EV anytime soon (regardless of what Time magazine says) and they rely on fossil fuels. I really don't think gas will be expensive like this forever, it will go back down.
As i said i disagree. For transport trucking there may be a tax credit for them since EV trucks won't be there for a while, but we'll see. Right now, the environmentalists have the floor and will push for rapid elimination of ALL fossil fuel use.
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You're right, instead the oil crisis paved the way for our beloved Japanese brands with their fuel-sipping econoboxes that enabled them to take over the entire American auto industry overnight.
That was part of it. Japanese brands also took over because of Detroit's quality-issues.
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i disagree. It will hit $6 and more due to coming taxes. No getting around it.
Nah.

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Right now, the environmentalists have the floor and will push for rapid elimination of ALL fossil fuel use.
That just won't happen. You can't "rapidly eliminate ALL FF use". I've been looking at boats for a year....know how many of them I've seen run on batteries? Planes, construction equipment, large vessels, list goes on. It's just a selling point.

We can't go into it but let's just say I think a big change in power is coming very soon and many people like these will be humbled.

Even with all the EPA lovers all in, WE NEED/USE FOSSIL FUELS. They should google what global shipping containers give off instead of lobbying to have us all whirling around in Jetsonmobiles; it's astounding how awful for the environment large shipping vessels are.
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i disagree. It will hit $6 and more due to coming taxes. No getting around it.
It might hit $6, but, if it does, I think a lot of people in public office (without getting into politics) are going to lose their jobs. Voters will rebel.
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Why would it hit $6? We aren't at $5 yet
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Why would it hit $6? We aren't at $5 yet

Bitkahuna seems a little more confident of it hitting $6 than I am.....although I'm not totally counting it out. But I see too many voters rebelling if it gets to $6 for any significant length of time (not just for a couple of days, for example, if a storm knocks out a refinery or storage site).
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Why would it hit $6? We aren't at $5 yet
where in CA do you live? Im paying $4.97 for premium chevron in the Bay Area
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That was part of it. Japanese brands also took over because of Detroit's quality-issues.
Quality had little to do with it. Detroit didn't offer any competitive products that could sip fuel, and the few they did were unmitigated engineering disasters like the Pinto. It isn't called the "malaise era" for no reason.

The public recognition for Japanese cars having high quality didn't emerge until the 1980s, prior to that they were seen by the vast majority of Americans (some who still had memories of Pearl Harbor) as "Jap rustbuckets." It was only after the 1970s that basically forced families onto Japanese vehicles that their quality started being recognized.
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Originally Posted by RXSF
where in CA do you live? Im paying $4.97 for premium chevron in the Bay Area
It's been in the $4.xx for a long time now. I have premium at $4.79 here so a little cheaper than Bay Area. Is there a reason it will get to $6?
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Originally Posted by EZZ
It's been in the $4.xx for a long time now. I have premium at $4.79 here so a little cheaper than Bay Area. Is there a reason it will get to $6?
it’s roughly $5 per gallon in the Bay Area for premium. It wasn’t that long ago that it was half that.

We’ll definitely see $6 in the not too distant future.
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