Bentley Azure- the most "American" car of the 2000s
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Oh it's not quite just solid springs, there is a nest of hydraulic lines and leveling cylinders and accompanying proportioning valves in additions to a HUGE amount of extemporaneous rubber that wears out extremely quickly and is only available if you order from England.
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Weight plays a huge role in the ride quality too
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Yeah it does, they are however not as heavy as one would think and a lot of the damping does come from the rubbers. Weirdly enough two of the smoothest cars I've ever worked on/driven were of all things a 1972 Cadillac coup deville and a 1987 Aries. Both cars had the absolute lowest amount of road feel I have ever experienced and potholes just didn't exist somehow.
The Bentley and Rolls I've worked on are much much more confident feeling
The Bentley and Rolls I've worked on are much much more confident feeling
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rolls has forever exclusively been about only luxury, bentley has always been a bit more about driver involvement... you've never nor would you ever see rolls royce building a le mans car
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a race bentley has won several times over its existence
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Weight is partly what gives Rolls and Bentley products their smooth rides. The heavier the mass above the springs/suspension (and the softer-tuned and/or more-sophisticated the suspension is), the less likely the bumps in the suspension will reach the seats and occupants.
Of course, weight alone is not the only factor...if it was, large heavy trucks would not have the bouncy rides they do. But, weight combined with a soft or sophisticated suspension...that's usually the trick.
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A 215-inch personal luxury land yacht convertible with a massive push-rod V8 (almost as old as the Chevy small block) with zero pretensions of sportiness as it wafts with waterbed springs, drenched with chrome trim and acres of wood and cow hides. It's ironic that it took a British brand owned by Germans to make the one car from the 21st century that's the closest to the Cadillacs of the 1950s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcefwtuOqE
Even when it was released in 2007, this car was a dinosaur from a different era. I expect that by the end of this decade, it will be considered a classic car alongside its coupe brother, the Brooklands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcefwtuOqE
Even when it was released in 2007, this car was a dinosaur from a different era. I expect that by the end of this decade, it will be considered a classic car alongside its coupe brother, the Brooklands.
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This was merely an evolutionary replacement of the Continental R Coupe (launched 1991), designed and engineered in the 1980s and later introduced in cabriolet form in 1995 as the Azure and also reskinned as the 2000 Rolls-Royce Corniche, all based on the age-old Rolls-Royce SZ RWD platform (launched 1980), a revamp of the 1965-1980 SY RWD platform, RR/Bentley's first unibody platform. Vehicles like this were one last hurrah, for RR/Bentley traditionalists like my father (and me as an advisor/enthusiast).
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1991 Continental R -SZ Platform
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1992 Continental R
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1995 Bentley Azure - SZ Platform
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1995 Bentley Azure - SZ Platform
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2000 Rolls-Royce Corniche based on Silver Seraph body, on SZ Platform basis
2000 RR Corniche
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2000 RR Corniche
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2000 RR Corniche Interior - SZ Platform
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Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit and LWD Silver Spur (1980) - SZ Platform
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Bentley Mulsanne (1980) -SZ Platform
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1990 Bentley Turbo R (1989) - SZ Platform
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1969 RR Silver Shadow LWB -SY Platform
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1965 Bentley T1 - SY Platform
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1994-1996 Rolls-Royce Corniche - SY Platform
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1994-96 RR Corniche - SY Platform
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1994-96 Corniche - Came with dual front airbags, ABS, and a litany of other features for such a dated 60s design.
This particular vehicle came out in 2006 (not 2007), shortly after my father bought his first Arnage (T) in May/June 2005 and unfortunately being that he never liked 2-doors, he never gave the Azure nor Brooklands Coupe serious consideration, despite getting 2 more Bentleys, an LWB Arnage RL Mulliner for UK W. Midlands and a 2009 Arnage Final Series down in Texas. He still owns all 3 cars, at 16, 13, and 12 years old. Never will sell them, as no single Bentley since then has pleased him.
My father didn't like the newer post-2009 Mulsanne and ultimately has left Bentley behind for good since his 2009 was delivered before the autumn 2009 reveal of the Mulsanne. The same issue he had with Jaguar's last XJ and kept his 3 pre-2010 X308 & X350 XJs. Their foreign management thought sensible to ruin their flagship saloons with overwrought, tasteless styling.
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Azure (2007)
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Azure (2007)
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Azure Prototype (2005)
This Azure was actually based on the revamped 2005MY+ Arnage platform (above), unlike the much more dated Continental R/original 1995-03 Azure based on the 1980 Silver Spirit/Mulsanne SZ saloon platform, replaced with Silver Seraph and Arnage in 1998.
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1998 RR Silver Seraph V12
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1998 RR Silver Seraph V12
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1998 Bentley Arnage 4.4L
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1998 Bentley Arnage 4.4L
German ownership were responsible for tacky crap like the 2003 RR Phantom by Chris Bangle (approved December 1999, finalized May 2000) and cookie cutter bargain basement Continental GT coupe of 2003 (finalized November 2000) and saloon counterpart Continental Flying Spur of 2005. They contributed very little with this particular Azure, other than copy the outgoing Azure and resurrect it on the newer Arnage platform, with corresponding front and newer rear styling. VWAG deserves little credit here, outside of merely updating an existing design.
Being that I grew up with RR/Bentleys of the 1990s-early 2000s of mostly Vickers origin (living between UK and USA), I have never liked the RR Phantom and BMW-derived Ghost. They have always been tacky nonsense to me, just like the first discount Bentley, the Continental GT, which was simply a reskinned 2-door VW Phaeton, with longitudinal FWD roots masked under fulltime AWD.
That's what German ingenuity came up with for the Bentley brand and that useless Bentacky crossover, with longitudinal FWD roots as well. The reason why Audi has little credibility in the executive and flagship segments. The only Bentley I have any regard for today, is the RWD Porsche MSB-derived Continental GT and maybe the new Flying Spur as of late. The VW-developed Mulsanne for 2010 was terribly overwrought (lost my dad's interest), but much more tasteful than the unimpressive CGT that was only British in name and too down market to anyone with sense.
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Just out of curiosity, since you seem to know the British auto industry so well, how did Bentley get the rights to use the Continental name?.....Lincoln, of course, had been using it for decades, both on the Continental sedans/convertibles/Limos and the Continental Mark coupes. Lincoln also, of course, resurrected the name (unsuccessfully) several years ago. Did Bentley pay for that right?
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Haha, I know that the Azure's design and engineering had little to do with VW, Carmaker. What I was surprised by is that the sales team at VW still permitted them to make the car despite it being more or less the same Vickers-era Bentley as the Arnage.
It's also thanks to VW that Bentley revived the 6.75 litre pushrod dinosaur of a V8, whereas prior to being bought out they used BMW V8's.
And obviously I never said that Bentley was inspired by Cadillac in any way, simply that the character of the car is the closest thing to a 50s-70s Cadillac in the 21st century.
It's also thanks to VW that Bentley revived the 6.75 litre pushrod dinosaur of a V8, whereas prior to being bought out they used BMW V8's.
And obviously I never said that Bentley was inspired by Cadillac in any way, simply that the character of the car is the closest thing to a 50s-70s Cadillac in the 21st century.
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