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Of course there are more 40s but I do read these forums too and I'm telling you, there are plenty of V8 X7s here. Let me repeat this again, it's a heavy V8 truck/SUV area here. I think that's a Southern thing at least part of it. X7 is very popular here and I'm always right behind them staring at the badge.
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i remember when a friend who's had one mb e-class after another took me for a spin in the last one he got and i told him the engine was remarkable for a 4 cylinder, and he didn't know (or care), but was surprised to learn that.
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Even if we start from the premise of your observations being 100% statistically accurate, with no gaps or bias whatsoever, sales numbers still are what they are. No manufacturer is going to ignore overall sales volume and take rate, in order to customize their lineup for the unique tastes of the Knoxville metro.
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Agreed. When I sat in one at the auto show several years ago (right around launch), doing so immediately excluded it from ever being considered due to the lack of space. I should not be more comfortable in a compact sedan (3-series, C-class, IS) than I am in a flagship.
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The whole "red car syndrome" has been beaten to death on here also, which I don't agree with either. I check out every single car I see or that I can get a glance at.
Of course there are more 40s but I do read these forums too and I'm telling you, there are plenty of V8 X7s here. Let me repeat this again, it's a heavy V8 truck/SUV area here. I think that's a Southern thing at least part of it. X7 is very popular here and I'm always right behind them staring at the badge.
Of course there are more 40s but I do read these forums too and I'm telling you, there are plenty of V8 X7s here. Let me repeat this again, it's a heavy V8 truck/SUV area here. I think that's a Southern thing at least part of it. X7 is very popular here and I'm always right behind them staring at the badge.
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Please cite where I said because I see many V8 X7s around my area, that it meant that sales numbers are wrong? All I said was this is a V8 heavy SUV are which I’ve said on here since the year 1985.
You all assume I’m saying you’re lying when you post sales numbers?
However, I’m not imagining the X750s I see. Badges are right there in front of me. I don’t tell you all that you’re basically delusional…. I’d appreciate the same respect.
Back in the good old days the vast majority of E-Classes were 320s but two engine upgrades available. The take rates were low, probably not like now but still low. Not a problem then.
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Please cite where I said because I see many V8 X7s around my area, that it meant that sales numbers are wrong? All I said was this is a V8 heavy SUV are which I’ve said on here since the year 1985.
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not sure what an X750 is, lol, but i certainly believe you when you say you see a load of V8 suv's there. but the point is, that's irrelevant to your point that car makers should therefore continue to make v8 suv's, because overal market stats clearly show the market has become tiny and compliance regs mandate they can't make/sell many of them anyway and so they do them with all the sprinkles on top to make as much money as possible from the few that demand them.
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not sure what an X750 is, lol, but i certainly believe you when you say you see a load of V8 suv's there. but the point is, that's irrelevant to your point that car makers should therefore continue to make v8 suv's, because overall market stats clearly show the market has become tiny and compliance regs mandate they can't make/sell many of them anyway and so they do them with all the sprinkles on top to make as much money as possible from the few that demand them.
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Here’s where all of you are dead wrong.
Please cite where I said because I see many V8 X7s around my area, that it meant that sales numbers are wrong? All I said was this is a V8 heavy SUV are which I’ve said on here since the year 1985.
You all assume I’m saying you’re lying when you post sales numbers?
However, I’m not imagining the X750s I see. Badges are right there in front of me. I don’t tell you all that you’re basically delusional…. I’d appreciate the same respect.
Back in the good old days the vast majority of E-Classes were 320s but two engine upgrades available. The take rates were low, probably not like now but still low. Not a problem then.
Please cite where I said because I see many V8 X7s around my area, that it meant that sales numbers are wrong? All I said was this is a V8 heavy SUV are which I’ve said on here since the year 1985.
You all assume I’m saying you’re lying when you post sales numbers?
However, I’m not imagining the X750s I see. Badges are right there in front of me. I don’t tell you all that you’re basically delusional…. I’d appreciate the same respect.
Back in the good old days the vast majority of E-Classes were 320s but two engine upgrades available. The take rates were low, probably not like now but still low. Not a problem then.
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You certainly are implying that because you see lots of V8s around you that "people do still want V8s" and that carmakers are wrong for offering fewer V8s, the sales figures and survey responses show us its a very small number of people that purchase V8s when they are available. Everybody who has responded to you took what you were saying that way, you may want to evaluate your delivery...
And for the record, "people DO still want V8s." Is or is not your S-Class powered by 8 cylinders that you paid more for? I never said it was the vast majority but at least we used to get options. We had that '11 IS350 that took a while to find because the one with the biggest engine was hard to find. I've found in traffic over the years that it's about 1 out of 10 of those IS models that are the 350. What was the problem with that then? I guess I'm beating a dead horse if you don't mind all these regulations and stuff.
GM just invested nearly a billion into V-8s, they're not going anywhere.
Also I never said car makers are wrong, obviously I understand the atmosphere we are living in today. I just don't like it. We couldn't go back if we tried, it would be impossible. I'm well aware of that.
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Bingo you answered your own question, those aren't good things. If you like your cars regulated by CAFE that's your prerogative.
No, you're wrong...again. I said they sell 20-30k GXs a year all with thirsty V8s, the take and satisfaction rate with those are off the charts. I doubt many owners trade them in because they get bad gas mileage. All BOFs still get bad gas mileage, like I said Ecoboost still means 13-14 MPG (similar to V8s) when loaded down with gear and driven normally instead of EPA tests.
No, you're wrong...again. I said they sell 20-30k GXs a year all with thirsty V8s, the take and satisfaction rate with those are off the charts. I doubt many owners trade them in because they get bad gas mileage. All BOFs still get bad gas mileage, like I said Ecoboost still means 13-14 MPG (similar to V8s) when loaded down with gear and driven normally instead of EPA tests.
And for the record, "people DO still want V8s." Is or is not your S-Class powered by 8 cylinders that you paid more for? I never said it was the vast majority but at least we used to get options. We had that '11 IS350 that took a while to find because the one with the biggest engine was hard to find. I've found in traffic over the years that it's about 1 out of 10 of those IS models that are the 350. What was the problem with that then? I guess I'm beating a dead horse if you don't mind all these regulations and stuff.
Overwhelmingly people say that fuel economy is their #1 concern when shopping for a vehicle, and overwhelmingly the higher CAFE standards are supported by voters when polled (voters of both political spectrums by the way), I have posted that data for you before but it doesn't seem to get through.
You and I are atypical buyers, well you don't buy new cars at all so you aren't a buyer, but I am an atypical buyer. I understand that carmakers make decisions based on what typical buyers want, not what I want.
Even I may not pay the premium for the V8 in my next car. I would rather have the V8, but there's a cost/benefit analysis.
GM just invested nearly a billion into V-8s, they're not going anywhere.
Sequoia at the dealer today, $17,500 markup, even without a V8.
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What do you mean by "the biggest engine was hard to find"? IS350 has had the same engine since 2006 (2GR-FSE, 3.5L V6). The 2023 has pretty much the same engine (now 2GR-FKS), only changes are 2nd gen had the 6 speed while the latest has the 8 speed auto and now 311 hp instead of 306 hp. Do you mean that you were trying to find the IS350 over the IS250?