2023 Toyota Sequoia
#376
Lexus Fanatic
The Sequoia sells far more to families than the LandCruiser or the LX does. This vehicle is primarily a family hauler.
#378
Pole Position
The TRD Pro looks nice, I think they did a very good job actually, interior and everything else compared to LX600 which I think did not change that much. the white on Black looks very sharp.
#379
Lead Lap
Its the fault of the car's designers for not having an option available that provides a full time or automatic 4WD experience, which you gotta have in a family vehicle.
If I were to buy a Sequoia, my wife would primarily drive it. Now, I would just put it in 4WD if there was a heavy rain or it started to snow or it was icy...she would never think to do that...she just gets in a car and drives it. I use engine braking down a long grade, she's just going to use the brakes. So, essentially my wife would always be driving a RWD vehicle regardless of the conditions, and I'm not comfortable with that.
Switching from 2WD to 4WD manually requires a focus and interest out of using the capabilities of the vehicle to its fullest in varying road conditions that she does not possess. If it had a 2WD, 4WD AUTO or 4WD Low switch option, I would just put it in 4WD AUTO and tell her "never change this" and she never would, she would have no interest in doing so. Even if she did put it in 4WD, she would never change it back to 2WD when it was time to do that, nor would she recognize, understand or care when the conditions were so that it needed to go back into 2WD.
If her auto headlights failed...she would drive around in the dark lol. LOTS of people are like her...look at the identical descriptions here!
So for me this setup would be no problem, but for a vehicle that my wife drives primarily this one lack of function totally disqualifies it from my garage. When I had my RWD sedans as an example, I would never let her drive one of them in the snow...because she doesn't have the experience or skills I have driving a vehicle like that in the snow, nor does she have any interest in learning them. One of the big points of buying a vehicle like this for my family is knowing that they are always in the safest vehicle and the most capable vehicle, and not having AUTO 4WD or full time 4WD and knowing that she would never think to change the drive mode diminishes that greatly.
If I were to buy a Sequoia, my wife would primarily drive it. Now, I would just put it in 4WD if there was a heavy rain or it started to snow or it was icy...she would never think to do that...she just gets in a car and drives it. I use engine braking down a long grade, she's just going to use the brakes. So, essentially my wife would always be driving a RWD vehicle regardless of the conditions, and I'm not comfortable with that.
Switching from 2WD to 4WD manually requires a focus and interest out of using the capabilities of the vehicle to its fullest in varying road conditions that she does not possess. If it had a 2WD, 4WD AUTO or 4WD Low switch option, I would just put it in 4WD AUTO and tell her "never change this" and she never would, she would have no interest in doing so. Even if she did put it in 4WD, she would never change it back to 2WD when it was time to do that, nor would she recognize, understand or care when the conditions were so that it needed to go back into 2WD.
If her auto headlights failed...she would drive around in the dark lol. LOTS of people are like her...look at the identical descriptions here!
So for me this setup would be no problem, but for a vehicle that my wife drives primarily this one lack of function totally disqualifies it from my garage. When I had my RWD sedans as an example, I would never let her drive one of them in the snow...because she doesn't have the experience or skills I have driving a vehicle like that in the snow, nor does she have any interest in learning them. One of the big points of buying a vehicle like this for my family is knowing that they are always in the safest vehicle and the most capable vehicle, and not having AUTO 4WD or full time 4WD and knowing that she would never think to change the drive mode diminishes that greatly.
Also side note- I have seen Wrangler drivers do exactly what has been mentioned in inclement weather. It's usually the Sahara buyers that just wanted something cute. And what do you know, even Jeep introduced full-time 4WD for those users.
Last edited by TangoRed; 06-09-22 at 09:42 AM.
#380
Lexus Champion
That said, it isn't a stretch to say even I might be caught off guard with that, since every 4WD vehicle I've ever owned or driven for a stretch was automatic or full time. For $80,000 no auto 4WD? Broken record but that is just insane.
#381
Moderator
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but i also read in Car and Driver that the sequoia only comes with a solid axle (albeit multilink):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...022-old-model/
which one is it? is the first quote wrong?
#382
Lead Lap
Mine doesn't either, only knows a little bit about cars because of me. This is the main reason no auto 4WD is just unforgivable. Not everyone on the roads are us.
That said, it isn't a stretch to say even I might be caught off guard with that, since every 4WD vehicle I've ever owned or driven for a stretch was automatic or full time. For $80,000 no auto 4WD? Broken record but that is just insane.
That said, it isn't a stretch to say even I might be caught off guard with that, since every 4WD vehicle I've ever owned or driven for a stretch was automatic or full time. For $80,000 no auto 4WD? Broken record but that is just insane.
#383
Lexus Fanatic
#384
Pole Position
Sequoia will be offered in 2WD or the available part-time 4WD system on SR5, Limited, Platinum and Capstone grades. TRD Pro will be offered only in 4WD. The part-time 4WD system relies on a transfer case, controlled via a lever on the center console, to select between 2WD, 4WD high or 4WD low.
#385
Lexus Champion
I can the same for myself. Road conditions can change rapidly and I might not think to switch into 4WD until it's too late, or worse remember to switch back to 2WD before binding occurs. Also it's worth noting that there's speed limits to switch in and out of 4HI AND the transfer case may not complete its operations as expected which involves trouble shooting.
#386
Lexus Fanatic
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i just read this from the prev post: Also, while the platform, including its fully-boxed frame, is derived from the Tundra, the Sequoia gets a multilink independent rear suspension with multiple options to enhance it for specific purposes.
but i also read in Car and Driver that the sequoia only comes with a solid axle (albeit multilink):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...022-old-model/
which one is it? is the first quote wrong?
but i also read in Car and Driver that the sequoia only comes with a solid axle (albeit multilink):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...022-old-model/
which one is it? is the first quote wrong?
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/202...g-we-know.html
old sequoia (which was IRS)
new Sequoia
#387
Lexus Champion
it also doesnt help that the hybrid battery is designed to be under the rear seats like in a tundra, further pushing up the height of the floor
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/202...g-we-know.html
old sequoia (which was IRS)
new Sequoia
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/202...g-we-know.html
old sequoia (which was IRS)
new Sequoia
#388
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Doug DeMuro loves it.
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#390
Lexus Fanatic