AJT123

Okay, maybe “hindrance” is a bad word. The car isn’t hindered. But it’s easy to catch the car off boost especially at low speeds, at least the pre ‘21 LS.

JDR76

I think the front end looks great and would be one of the reasons why I would purchase one. I LOVE that it doesn't look like other trucks. It's unique and bold.

LeX2K

Sloth from the Goonies is unique and bold but would you really want to look like that?

JDR76

I just like the looks of the truck. Don't see what the big deal is.

LeX2K

Personal opinion aside my issue is the design has almost nothing to do with function it's all about the image. There is so much wasted space and very likely hurts aerodynamics as well. That also can't be good for pedestrian collisions.

Wilson2000

What's with the flippant animosity? How do you know what I would, or wouldn't, be buying? I've been looking to replace my Tundra for over six years. I test drove a 2015 and placed an offer on it, but couldn't come to terms. I decided instead to hold off until the redesign, mistakenly thinking it was imminent.

Just saying...I don't like it. I've never been one to follow trends, at least without kicking and screaming!

Duly noted! Are you in the market for a full sized pickup?

Wilson2000

Interesting. Some think the look is "on trend" with the big-three, while you think it is unique. Not that their is anything wrong with this as there will always be differences of opinions regarding aesthetics. It's just interesting to me that these observations are diametrically opposed.

SW17LS

Maybe if you're trying to catch it off boost, but I drove the Pre 21 LS extensively, for easily 200 miles and I never felt any sort of turbo lag.

Have you seen all the other trucks? What you describe describes all trucks.

No animosity, but there are a ton of people here that pass their opinion on as fact when they aren't consumers for the vehicle in question in the first place.

You don't have to like it, just don't say its a "failure" because YOU don't like it. Other people do like it.

No, but I haven't made declarative statements of fact about it either.

They aren't opposed, I said the same thing. The look is on trend, but it looks like a Toyota and it has its own look relative to the competition. In trucks, each truck has its own look, you would never confuse a Silverado for an F150 or a Ram, and this Tundra is no different.

JDR76

Differences of opinion, I guess. To me it's quite a departure from the big three when it comes to styling. It has a much more squared off look, especially compared to the RAM. The side profile of the Tundra seems very square and I like that as well.

I will definitely be putting one of these in my driveway, though I'll wait 3-4 years I think. I am happy with my Tundra so I won't be ready to part with it for a while.

GFerg

And here I come with another opinion no one asked for. All pickup trucks by design are ugly as hell. Trying to make them look overly rugged is all for the worse to my eye. Tundra is no exception to me.

Not finding anything on the feature/spec sheet that wows me either. Everything has already been done by Ford/GM/Ram in this space. They arent really bringing anything new or innovative here honestly. Just playing catchup to get blown away again once the new gen of the Big 3 come in 3-5 years time. But hey, its a Toyota so I guess that's cool.

JDR76

This version definitely plays catch up in terms of features and I do agree it doesn't really pull ahead in "wow features," though I do find the hybrid drive pretty interesting. I am looking forward to trying one out for myself.

Overall, I don't know that the Tundra was really able steal away many customers from the big three, but rather it became a way for Tacoma owners who want to step up into a full size to stay in the brand. In this, I think this new Tundra will do at least as well as its predecessor.

Wilson2000

You don't see the animosity in this from your previous post?
Aren't you implying I'm one of the "ton of people here that pass their opinion on as fact when they aren't consumers for the vehicle in question in the first place?" I said in my previous post that I'm in the market. Do you not believe me?

I did not say it was a "failure," I didn't even imply that it is...it hasn't even come out yet! All I said was future sales figures will be a partial measure. Some like it, some don't...no big.

Are we not allowed to state our opinions on CL without being castigated for being "declarative?" If you are referring to my expressing my opinion that the front end design is a "fatal flaw," I already amended that statement with your suggested, "for me" qualifier. Regardless, if you think I'm making "declarative statements of facts," you're "reading into them. They're just opinions, like everyone else's.

Yes, I would not confuse any of the pickup designs. However, I've been reading posts for years about Toyota following the big three in the evolution of the "big, in your face," front end design. "Trendy" implies "not unique," to me. Sure, they have to be unique in the details, they'd step on infringement laws otherwise.

SW17LS

Come on. You went so far as to ask "if anybody likes this post that you do" with the expectation that nobody would post that they do. Saying you don't like something and saying that the styling is a "fatal flaw" are two different things. When you say something is "fatal" that means its dead, as in it will be a failure.

I certainly see why someone would think this is ugly, but I see why someone would say EVERY truck is ugly. This is no "uglier" to me than a Silverado, and they have their following and sell great. It fits in with what its competitors look like.

I certainly assumed based on conversations we've had in the past about you driving older cars and not wanting to buy expensive newer cars that you wouldn't be in the market for a $50k+ new truck, no. If thats not the case then I apologize.

Carmaker1

FYI, there's a funny connection and knowing more about the P702 (aka 2021 F-150) a huge deal inside-out, much more than the Tundra, hopefully things explains a lot for you. (Powerboost and iForce Max are like two brothers separated at birth.)


https://forbes.com/sites/altheachang...smaller%20car.

https://www.industryweek.com/innovat...evelop-hybrids

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a18819...ybrid-pickups/

Toyota did their own thing here and pretty much compared this truck to the competition, but did nothing derivative in this segment.

It's unfortunate timing and poorly thought out product planning. The V35A-FTS 3.4L TTV6 engine was on the table in 2012-13 for the XF50 LS, when in development under 200B Program. At the time however, Toyota was more focused on developing this TTV6 hybrid instead for pickups with Ford and not so much for Lexus.

This powertrain was probably meant for the Land Cruiser 300 initially and Lexus LX, but for some odd reason, Tundra is coming out first. Everything is about 12 to 18 months behind on these vehicles. IForce Max was intended to arrive 11 months ago for 2021 and mid-way through MY 2022.


The Sequoia should be out in January or February, so a debut or a teaser of it, is probably coming up very, very soon. Maybe after initial fanfare for Tundra dies down.

Toyoda was very, very sour about the plant in Texas when he became CEO in June 2009, as it wasn't profitable with the low Tundra sales. In response, everything about Tundra was put on the backburner I imagine and studying the 2009 F-150, it made more sense to do a similar facelift too in 2013 and call it a "redesign".









This will happen with the next generation Camry, coming up in a bit. Same basis, just new interior and moderately redesigned exterior.

I don't believe Toyota committed to developing an all-new Tundra until around 2015 and earmarked it for 2021 MY, developing another refresh for 2018 MY to pass the time.




Toyoda and co. wanted to pile up that revenue until it became pure profit to sit on, before committing to it. Not to mention, TNGA-F wasn't initiated until about 2013ish for the Land Cruiser 300 (700B). They fact that they sat on it such a long time, ended up becoming a problem by 2019, when everything on TNGA-F due in late 2020, 2021, and 2022, fell behind by 1 year or more in a horrible domino effect due to teething issues.

They could've avoided this, but felt that they had ample time to wait and that loyal sales wouldn't abate, so they could keep delaying and delaying as they saw fit. Then they started playing catch up to meet, the new deadline of December 2021 launch.

Maybe that should be coming in a few months hopefully, in parallel to new Sequoia.



Very much agreed, even as a Ford guy, the design is just fine. The over the top criticisms I keep seeing elsewhere in certain circles, is just some folks crying for attention and fishing for likes. Like a class clown. It looks like a bigger Tacoma, which is what Toyota intended. Another thing I keep seeing, is the ignorant implication that Toyota copied GM. There are a few things maybe from the previous generation F-150, but everything else is not from pickups at all.

Will it outperform the F-150? Heck no and I am confident in that, for obvious reasons lol. And it's why, I don't mind Toyota getting some shine here.

Indeed it is, as this is what a lot of customers want. The BOLD and BRASH look is in and it's often polarizing. You either hate it or you like it. This ain't no T100 XL LOL.

With how long the wait has been and was undefined prior to 2017, this is understandable.

It is up to Toyota counteract that recurring phenomenon going forward, as there is no reason why it should remain unchanged beyond 2029 and not see necessary improvements by 2025, to keep it relevant. Titan is bound for death, IIRC. No more further development.

Yes, this is what I see. It was designed to appeal to Tacoma customers as much as possible, judging by the similarities to the Tacoma and its evolutionary predecessor. Reminds me of the old relationship between T100 and Pickup (Hilux).

sorptd

Wow really impressive ! I think it looks fantastic inside & out.