bitkahuna

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WHY does this have a tiny trunk lid and not a hatch?

pretty much. while the interior looks plasticky, i like the overall design/layout and mix of screens and buttons/controls.

you like the look of this thing?

not sure what you're referring to... the not-a-hatch sedan thing for the u.s. is hideous, the traditional crown sedan seems pretty great to me.

very helpful, thanks.

could be, but not much concern in u.s. at least since they're only bringing frankenstein here.

i didn't read where the whole crown sub-brand might be sold... anywhere other than japan? could be a 'proving ground' for new models which might become toyota or lexus models, just like this new Crown 'thing' will be the toyota crown in the u.s.

Motorola

Haha, the Crown cross has the same hybrid turbo 4-cylinder from the top-of-the-line RX500h which the NX doesn't even get, no way it's going to be less than an NX unless it's the lower trim.

Toyota has always walked the fine line with Lexus and differentiating the two brands, this just seems like an unnecessary complication, especially with a new ES on the horizon that will get this same powertrain after the Crown.


Side note: I think we should move the last few posts to a new thread about the Crown sub-brand since we're no longer talking about just the crossover.

Kijug

I'm getting very tired of the hatchback look of "sedans". Stop the slooping back and bring back a "trunk". Errr... Gas mileage, yea, yea. Sporty...not. Hatchback-y...yes. I don't want a hatchback, I want a sedan. Oh well.... My two cents.

LexFinally

Looks are subjective, and it's all been said. Inside, I give them credit for doing what they didn't do outside: keep it simple and not try too hard. It seems like a well-appointed and tasteful space.

Objectively, the top model should deliver very good powertrain performance with a decent AWD system the Avalon and ES painfully lacked. The disappointing minuses, to me, are the pointless decision to do this form factor without hatchback practicality, and the stupidly high center of gravity that will needlessly worsen what might have been a very appealing ride/handling compromise.

If this is the bones of the next ES, which seems like a serious possibility, one wonders if this is the form factor they'll use for that too. If this was the ES on offer when I bought mine last year, I'd have gone German. I'm one of those people who still likes actual sedans.

peteharvey

It’s only 4” taller than Camry, and still nearly 8” lower than Highlander SUV.
Meanwhile nearly 6” lower than an SUV coupe Honda CrossTour.

Modest 4” allows hybrid battery pack/fuel tank sandwich to fit neatly below rear seat base.
With 4” battery packs under the floor pan, expect +4” sedans to become the norm for EV’s..

+4” is far better than driving a genuine SUV like Highlander that is nearly 8” taller than forthcoming Toyota Crown hi riding sedan.

peteharvey

Perhaps the 2024-30 8th Gen Lexus ES version will look more sedan/notch-like - just like The Beast which is a good 10” taller than the forthcoming Crown, but still looks just like a sedan?

peteharvey

Crown is less than 4” taller than Camry/ES, and nearly 8” lower than Highlander/RX.
Even a Honda CrossTour SUV coupe is more than 6” taller.
Crown not really an SUV - but a high riding sedan.

bitkahuna

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it was a little challenging deciding which posts to move, but a number of posts (including waaaaay off topic) not about the u.s. bound crossover, were moved to the new brand thread.

glamglam

The new 2023 Toyota Crown is ugly. It doesn’t even resemble a sedan. It’s clearly a crossover. I’m so glad that I bought a brand new 2022 Toyota Avalon Limited and a 2022 ES350 Ultra Luxury. The Avalon and the ES350 are very beautiful looking cars. I don’t care for the 2023 Crown. I will only buy the Crown if Toyota refreshes the Crown in the next few years and makes it look like a sedan and if they make it look better or if they make the Camry into a full size sedan. Also, I hope that Lexus doesn’t make the new 8th generation ES look like the Crown.

Vladi

Here is a new 408 for comparison against the Crown design wise.

peteharvey

They’re both very masculine looking and sporty.
Both seem to have a raised rear quarter waistline for a deeper trunk.

LexFinally

Four inches of extra height on a sedan is a lot. A Camry is not a low rider to begin with. A high-riding sedan is:

•a sedan with more wind noise
•a sedan whose MPG suffers from more aerodynamic drag
•a sedan more susceptible to crosswinds
•a sedan whose suspension engineers are forced to make a more compromised choice between ride comfort, "head toss" over bumps, and body roll
•a sedan with lower ultimate handling limits

All of these are functional compromises. And the existence of the Camry on the same basic platform, with plenty of room for 4 people and their stuff, proves it wasn't functionally necessary to make them. You've got a car here that's viewed as a costlier step up from a Camry XLE, yet it's configured to perform worse in every functional way except AWD.This car was basically the result of marketing, not engineering, decisions.

dklanecky1

I like all three of the Crown Variants, other than the one (Crossover) they've announced is coming here.

The Sport (Red) and Estate (Yellow) versions look particularly good to my eyes.

The Sedan (Silver), might be OK in person, but doesn't do anything for me from the pictures I've seen so far.

bitkahuna

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i don't think it's that simple.

a camry doesn't have plenty of room for 4 people and their stuff if they're going away for more than a couple of nights.
people taking trips want to bring tons of stuff these days besides just clothes/toiletries, including computers, game consoles, sporting gear, food, drinks, and on and on. a sedan's trunk typically just isn't big enough for 4 people.
taller sedans as well as cuv's/suv's offer a better viewing vantage point and most people feel safer driving them vs sedans.
you can't deny the u.s. has shifted DRAMATICALLY in recent years to cuv's/suv's, mostly for the reasons above.

making a taller sedan, even if there's downsides vs. a traditional sedan, is going where the market is, and making accordingly more profit. seems like a smart decision. even if this is the ugliest crown ever made.

Margate330

Lots of people travel with pets too.
Maybe it's thanks to pet friendly hotels and stores being more open to let people bring in a dog.

We travel with 2 small dogs, pretty much need a crossover at a minimum for the dog cage and extra stuff.