SW17LS

I defeated the start/stop on both my cars. I hate that too, with 48V electric systems it seamless, but mine doesnt have one.

AJT123

I wouldn't want that hybrid either, that V8 is plenty I'm sure. Or I wouldn't yearn for it if I bought an S-class without it.

The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.

SNiiP3R

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Everything in this case. To me it sounds that they are implying that it is the most powerful, thus the fastest IS ever. Either way, it’s pointless to argue, since I am not even remotely interested in buying this car. Just saddens me to see Lexus go down the drain year after year, especially when their bigger sister Toyota has all the money in the world to build new powertrains for this brand.

To be honest, I am not even sure what is up with Toyota these days. The fact that they had to use BMW engines in their latest Supra, pretty much confirms that they’re no longer capable of producing any engines that would be on par or even better than what their rivals build.

Toys4RJill

Lexus IS not implying anything other than….they ar saying…. The most powerful Lexus IS ever is the new IS500 Fsport. I don’t know how that can be interpreted that they are lying

Toys4RJill

See…not all new tech is great. Your Mercedes engine would feel even greater if it was a larger displacement

Start stop is terrible. Not luxurious at all. A fuel saver…yes. New Lexus models as well Toyota models are coming with it in the US. Rav, Highlander and the new NX have it.

SNiiP3R

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I guess we’ll see how many they’ll sell and how fast they’ll discontinue it.

SW17LS

The 48V mild hybrid adds to the V8, its on the S580 V8.

I actually bought modules for both cars to defeat the auto start stop for good

AJT123

How does that work??


The old 382hp NA 5.5 in the beginning 2007 W221 was a very, very gushed over motor and has turned out to be decently reliable. It's outpowered now by all the turbos of course but everyone who drove it loved it. Who knows what it would be now if they didn't have to downsize. 5.5L is a damn good size.

SW17LS

On the Mercedes its a module that plugs into the OBDII port and just reprograms the computer, and then it remembers the last setting on or off vs it defaulting to on. For the Chrysler it was a module I had to remove an interior panel and wire in.

situman

Doesnt that mean who you ask and how many of those people you asked and how honest they are with themselves? The fact that giant trucks and pickups moves out the door like crazy means FE isnt thhaaaat big of a concern. It doesnt matter what the CAFE numbers are on the window sticker, in real life, FE is vastly different and more often than not lower than what is stated. There is no free lunches, power is power and you dont magically make more power from the same drop of fuel. If FE is of such high importance, Hybrids would be atop of the sales charts by now and transition to EVs over the next 10 to 15yrs.

babaijebu

Both can be right. A lot of people buy the giant trucks and still complain, just like a lot of people buy cars that requires premium gas, but they end up filling them with regular gas because they can't keep up.

mogi68

The powertrain is only one component - one that most people who aren't enthusiasts don't care about.

The spindle grill looks like ****. Every model looks like it has an axe wound in the front. With a couple of exceptions like maybe the IS and the LC, no young person with money is going to look at a modern Lexus and go OMG I have to have it!

kgbman

its all in "how you do it" not in "what you doing".
GM would fail no matter which demographic it would target.

engin_ear

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I agree - I’ve hated the spindle grille since day1. And they stuck with it, so I haven’t been in a Lexus dealership in the last 10 years at least. I went Audi and then Porsche in the meantime.

EZZ

I don't think they even tried until later...and by that point, it was too late. Lexus is making an attempt to get younger buyers and kudos to them for this. The IS500 is a wonderful starting point to get in some new blood...hopefully they do even more.