This Is How Lexus Is Going After Younger Consumers
#61
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That's true but also some of the fuel saving measures are horrendous that IDK how anyone could care for, like start/stop. GM V8s started getting finicky with cylinder deactivation years back, even on then-modern V8s.
I believe they say your Mercedes is seamless with the start/stop, that's about the only car I've heard that about.
The only way I could tolerate that is if I could tell absolutely literally no difference, that anything was happening at all.
If CAFE didn't exist I still think cars would be cleaner than ever, but we'd still have plenty of big NA engines and V8s left.
I believe they say your Mercedes is seamless with the start/stop, that's about the only car I've heard that about.
The only way I could tolerate that is if I could tell absolutely literally no difference, that anything was happening at all.
If CAFE didn't exist I still think cars would be cleaner than ever, but we'd still have plenty of big NA engines and V8s left.
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The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.
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To be honest, I am not even sure what is up with Toyota these days. The fact that they had to use BMW engines in their latest Supra, pretty much confirms that they’re no longer capable of producing any engines that would be on par or even better than what their rivals build.
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The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.
The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.
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I wouldn't want that hybrid either, that V8 is plenty I'm sure. Or I wouldn't yearn for it if I bought an S-class without it.
The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.
The thing with stop start I noticed the times I've driven a car with one I instinctively put my hand on the shifter like I'm driving a manual and it's in neutral when the start/stop activates and the engine cuts. I'm sure I'd get more used to it in time, but hell no I would turn it off every single drive.
I actually bought modules for both cars to defeat the auto start stop for good
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The old 382hp NA 5.5 in the beginning 2007 W221 was a very, very gushed over motor and has turned out to be decently reliable. It's outpowered now by all the turbos of course but everyone who drove it loved it. Who knows what it would be now if they didn't have to downsize. 5.5L is a damn good size.
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Doesnt that mean who you ask and how many of those people you asked and how honest they are with themselves? The fact that giant trucks and pickups moves out the door like crazy means FE isnt thhaaaat big of a concern. It doesnt matter what the CAFE numbers are on the window sticker, in real life, FE is vastly different and more often than not lower than what is stated. There is no free lunches, power is power and you dont magically make more power from the same drop of fuel. If FE is of such high importance, Hybrids would be atop of the sales charts by now and transition to EVs over the next 10 to 15yrs.
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Doesnt that mean who you ask and how many of those people you asked and how honest they are with themselves? The fact that giant trucks and pickups moves out the door like crazy means FE isnt thhaaaat big of a concern. It doesnt matter what the CAFE numbers are on the window sticker, in real life, FE is vastly different and more often than not lower than what is stated. There is no free lunches, power is power and you dont magically make more power from the same drop of fuel. If FE is of such high importance, Hybrids would be atop of the sales charts by now and transition to EVs over the next 10 to 15yrs.
#72
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The powertrain is only one component - one that most people who aren't enthusiasts don't care about.
The spindle grill looks like ****. Every model looks like it has an axe wound in the front. With a couple of exceptions like maybe the IS and the LC, no young person with money is going to look at a modern Lexus and go OMG I have to have it!
The spindle grill looks like ****. Every model looks like it has an axe wound in the front. With a couple of exceptions like maybe the IS and the LC, no young person with money is going to look at a modern Lexus and go OMG I have to have it!
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The powertrain is only one component - one that most people who aren't enthusiasts don't care about.
The spindle grill looks like ****. Every model looks like it has an axe wound in the front. With a couple of exceptions like maybe the IS and the LC, no young person with money is going to look at a modern Lexus and go OMG I have to have it!
The spindle grill looks like ****. Every model looks like it has an axe wound in the front. With a couple of exceptions like maybe the IS and the LC, no young person with money is going to look at a modern Lexus and go OMG I have to have it!
#75
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I don't think they even tried until later...and by that point, it was too late. Lexus is making an attempt to get younger buyers and kudos to them for this. The IS500 is a wonderful starting point to get in some new blood...hopefully they do even more.