BMW removes touchscreen from a bunch of models due to chip shortage
11-11-21, 07:02 AM
#46
Lexus Test Driver
Why would touchscreens de-value the car in the future? I would think having a touchscreen enables the manufacturer to update the UI and features to keep the car more modern.
11-11-21, 07:07 AM
#47
Super Moderator
I think the point was that since the touchscreen is being removed from several BMW models due to lack of chips to drive that functionality, long term that would hurt the resale value of impacted cars.
11-11-21, 07:09 AM
#48
Lexus Test Driver
A lot of people here seem to dislike them which is fine. I personally prefer touchscreens now as getting familiar with the button layout takes a small amount of time but once you get used to it, its not much harder or any more distracting than a cluttered button layout. Somethings should have physical controls such as turn signals and wiper access but that's all stuff on the steering column. Even volume and radio switch access is on the steering wheel so going mostly touchscreen is fine by me. I drive my Minivan all the time with a gazillion buttons and its just as distracting as having a touchscreen...I have to look at where I press on both cars. Don't really see the big deal.
Last edited by EZZ; 11-11-21 at 07:15 AM.
11-11-21, 07:39 AM
#49
Lexus Champion
Nav systems with touch screens started to become widely available more than 20 years ago - it was the only option on my 2000 Acura TL. No car has been devalued because it has a touch screen.
11-11-21, 07:43 AM
#50
Lead Lap
I hope this whole crisis will learn us to be less extreme with the amount of electronic and connection we put in everything.
For the moment, I doubt the lesson is learned. We will probably need a whole structural crash and 30% of the builders completing their trip to Valhalla, before something changes.
But I'm confident that we are on the right path to that.
For the moment, I doubt the lesson is learned. We will probably need a whole structural crash and 30% of the builders completing their trip to Valhalla, before something changes.
But I'm confident that we are on the right path to that.
11-15-21, 10:25 AM
#51
Lexus Champion
Saw an article this morning on C&D about what features by various automakers are currently unavailable. As one would expect, this goes well beyond BMW. Some of these missing features would stop me from purchasing right now. The article is a bit long, so I'll link it at the bottom and provide my own summary.
- BMW - Touchscreens (and more).
In late October, BMW announced that it wouldremove touchscreen functionality from the Central Information Display in several models: the 3-series, 4-series coupe and convertible, 4-series Gran Coupe (excluding i4), Z4, and all variants of the X5, X6, and X7 (pictured). There's more bad news, in that any model that loses its touchscreen and was also ordered with the Parking Assistant package will now lose BMW's Backup Assistant technology.
Those who don't get their touchscreen will get a $500 credit to spend on other options.
- Cadillac: Super Cruise (Now Resumed)
Cadillac announced back in September that Escalades would be built without Super Cruise. The article doesn't mention exactly when, but confirms that Escalades being built now do once again include Super Cruise. No mention of discounts or customer compensation.
- Chevrolet/GMC: HD Radio
GM stated it has eliminated the HD radio option from its audio systems because of the chip shortage. Affects multiple trims of the 2021 Silverado 1500s and Sierra 1500s, as well as 2022 model year 2500 and 3500 heavy duty trucks. GM will offer buyers of the affected trucks a $50 credit.
- Chevrolet/GMC: Heated Seats and Steering Wheels
Starting the week of November 15, most GM SUVs and pickups will lose their heated and ventilated seats. This includes the Silverado, Traverse (except High Country trim), Blazer, Equinox, Sierra, Acadia (except Denali), Canyon, and Terrain. This will last through the 2022 model year. Starting in late November, heated steering wheels will be gone as well. Customers will get a credit of $150-500.
- Ford: Satellite Navigation
From the article, I believe this only impacts Fords that are built in Turkey. They expect this issue to last into Q1 production, but note that the missing navigation can be added back in at a later date.
- GM: Wireless Charging
Wireless charging has been (since summer) deleted from some GM models, including the 2021 Tahoe, Suburban, and GMC Yukons, plus the 2022 Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, and Cadillac XT5 and XT6. Customers will get a $75 credit.
- Mercedes Benz: Premium Audio, LED Lights, and more.
The list of deleted items at MB includes wireless charging pads, hands-free rear access systems, some LED headlights, and some audio systems. Reportedly, AMG models were hit the hardest.
- Nissan: Navigation Systems.
Nissan will not install navigation systems in thousands of vehicles - around a third of which would otherwise have them. They are doing this to save chips for their two bestselling vehicles in each market. Supply related, though not chip related, is the fact that Nissan had to stop applying the spray in bedliner on the 2022 Frontier and Titan. Customers will get a $400 credit for the missing bedliner. Supply shortages will also result in the deletion of the tow package from certain Pathfinders, resulting in a $270 credit to consumers.
- Porsche: 18-Way Adjustable Seat, Electric Steering Column Adjustment.
The Macan will lose it's adjustable seat upgrade option for several months. Also temporarily missing will be the electric steering column adjustment. Cars will be delivered with a manual adjusting column for the time being, and the electric version will be retrofitted later, as parts become available again.
- Tesla: USB Ports, Passenger-Seat Lumbar
This one doesn't appear to be chip related. As discussed previously, the passenger seat lumbar adjustment was removed from the Model 3 and Model Y. Musk stated that it was not frequently used and was a result of the cost of raw materials and supply chain pressure. More recently deleted were the USB-C ports in the rear of the center console on the 3 and Y. There was not an explanation given in the article so I really am not sure that this one belongs here, but it is what it is.
- GM: V-8 Cylinder Deactivation
Some 2021 Silverados and Sierras with the Active Fuel Management or Dynamic Fuel Management system will not get their cylinder deactivation, resulting in additional fuel consumption of 1 mpg. This will affect all remaining 2021 production of these vehicles.
- GM: Auto Stop-Start
2021 Silverados and Sierras with the 10-speed automatic and either the 5.3 liter or 6.2 liter V-8 engines will not come with stop-start technology. Customers will receive a $50 credit.
Full article can be found here.
11-15-21, 11:25 AM
#53
Lexus Champion
Saw an article this morning on C&D about what features by various automakers are currently unavailable. As one would expect, this goes well beyond BMW. Some of these missing features would stop me from purchasing right now. The article is a bit long, so I'll link it at the bottom and provide my own summary.
- BMW - Touchscreens (and more).
In late October, BMW announced that it wouldremove touchscreen functionality from the Central Information Display in several models: the 3-series, 4-series coupe and convertible, 4-series Gran Coupe (excluding i4), Z4, and all variants of the X5, X6, and X7 (pictured). There's more bad news, in that any model that loses its touchscreen and was also ordered with the Parking Assistant package will now lose BMW's Backup Assistant technology.
Those who don't get their touchscreen will get a $500 credit to spend on other options.
- Cadillac: Super Cruise (Now Resumed)
Cadillac announced back in September that Escalades would be built without Super Cruise. The article doesn't mention exactly when, but confirms that Escalades being built now do once again include Super Cruise. No mention of discounts or customer compensation.
- Chevrolet/GMC: HD Radio
GM stated it has eliminated the HD radio option from its audio systems because of the chip shortage. Affects multiple trims of the 2021 Silverado 1500s and Sierra 1500s, as well as 2022 model year 2500 and 3500 heavy duty trucks. GM will offer buyers of the affected trucks a $50 credit.
- Chevrolet/GMC: Heated Seats and Steering Wheels
Starting the week of November 15, most GM SUVs and pickups will lose their heated and ventilated seats. This includes the Silverado, Traverse (except High Country trim), Blazer, Equinox, Sierra, Acadia (except Denali), Canyon, and Terrain. This will last through the 2022 model year. Starting in late November, heated steering wheels will be gone as well. Customers will get a credit of $150-500.
- Ford: Satellite Navigation
From the article, I believe this only impacts Fords that are built in Turkey. They expect this issue to last into Q1 production, but note that the missing navigation can be added back in at a later date.
- GM: Wireless Charging
Wireless charging has been (since summer) deleted from some GM models, including the 2021 Tahoe, Suburban, and GMC Yukons, plus the 2022 Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, and Cadillac XT5 and XT6. Customers will get a $75 credit.
- Mercedes Benz: Premium Audio, LED Lights, and more.
The list of deleted items at MB includes wireless charging pads, hands-free rear access systems, some LED headlights, and some audio systems. Reportedly, AMG models were hit the hardest.
- Nissan: Navigation Systems.
Nissan will not install navigation systems in thousands of vehicles - around a third of which would otherwise have them. They are doing this to save chips for their two bestselling vehicles in each market. Supply related, though not chip related, is the fact that Nissan had to stop applying the spray in bedliner on the 2022 Frontier and Titan. Customers will get a $400 credit for the missing bedliner. Supply shortages will also result in the deletion of the tow package from certain Pathfinders, resulting in a $270 credit to consumers.
- Porsche: 18-Way Adjustable Seat, Electric Steering Column Adjustment.
The Macan will lose it's adjustable seat upgrade option for several months. Also temporarily missing will be the electric steering column adjustment. Cars will be delivered with a manual adjusting column for the time being, and the electric version will be retrofitted later, as parts become available again.
- Tesla: USB Ports, Passenger-Seat Lumbar
This one doesn't appear to be chip related. As discussed previously, the passenger seat lumbar adjustment was removed from the Model 3 and Model Y. Musk stated that it was not frequently used and was a result of the cost of raw materials and supply chain pressure. More recently deleted were the USB-C ports in the rear of the center console on the 3 and Y. There was not an explanation given in the article so I really am not sure that this one belongs here, but it is what it is.
- GM: V-8 Cylinder Deactivation
Some 2021 Silverados and Sierras with the Active Fuel Management or Dynamic Fuel Management system will not get their cylinder deactivation, resulting in additional fuel consumption of 1 mpg. This will affect all remaining 2021 production of these vehicles.
- GM: Auto Stop-Start
2021 Silverados and Sierras with the 10-speed automatic and either the 5.3 liter or 6.2 liter V-8 engines will not come with stop-start technology. Customers will receive a $50 credit.
Full article can be found here.
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