Dodge to kill off Hellcats after 2023, replaced by EV's
#31
LOL. My 2010 IS350, my 2013 Toyota Sienna have so much nanny intervention it gets annoying. When I drove the LC500 and RCF this September we were warned not to turn off the nannies. The Hellcat would be undriveable if it were not for a "computer" doing most of the work putting the power down. Try driving a Ford GT or Dodge Viper on a wet road at speed and let's see how well that goes. Throttle house just did a video on how a Ford GT tried to kill them
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 11-23-21 at 01:09 PM.
#34
#36
Everyone is so focused on the most insane 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times... and yes, these figures and how they are achieved are relevant... but they are not in and of themselves what makes the feel of a particular car engaging and *fun*.
How to make a Dodge EV muscle car fun and engaging beyond just the 0-60 and drag strip capabilities is where Dodge should be focusing. People who like blisteringly fast Teslas are going to like blisteringly fast Teslas, period.
But in the EV era the style, feel, and particular way in which a specialty car expresses itself and engages the driver is how each brand's offerings and specific models will set themselves apart.
Another reason why the Challenger and Charger going EV is what they should do to this end to fully embrace those two model identities but KILLING the Challenger and Charger as models is a very poor move which leaves Dodge having to start over to recreate a fanbase for unique and fun models all over again.
And yes, I know they have many classic 60's and 70's model names to resurrect but the Charger and Challenger have always been their most iconic fun machines if you don't also count the best Plymouth muscle cars like the Satellite GTX, Road Runner and crazily styled Super Bird.
How to make a Dodge EV muscle car fun and engaging beyond just the 0-60 and drag strip capabilities is where Dodge should be focusing. People who like blisteringly fast Teslas are going to like blisteringly fast Teslas, period.
But in the EV era the style, feel, and particular way in which a specialty car expresses itself and engages the driver is how each brand's offerings and specific models will set themselves apart.
Another reason why the Challenger and Charger going EV is what they should do to this end to fully embrace those two model identities but KILLING the Challenger and Charger as models is a very poor move which leaves Dodge having to start over to recreate a fanbase for unique and fun models all over again.
And yes, I know they have many classic 60's and 70's model names to resurrect but the Charger and Challenger have always been their most iconic fun machines if you don't also count the best Plymouth muscle cars like the Satellite GTX, Road Runner and crazily styled Super Bird.
Last edited by KahnBB6; 11-23-21 at 07:48 PM.
#37
And yes, I know they have many classic 60's and 70's model names to resurrect but the Charger and Challenger have always been their most iconic fun machines if you don't also count the best Plymouth muscle cars like the Satellite GTX, Road Runner and crazily styled Super Bird.
Those two models, BTW, were not allowed to be sold in Maryland, because the State's DMV did not consider the front end a legal bumper.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-23-21 at 09:05 PM.
#38
The Charger also had a street-legal Superbird-clone, called the Daytona...named, of course, for its NASCAR-use. I went to high school with it.
Those two models, BTW, were not allowed to be sold in Maryland, because the State's DMV did not consider the front end a legal bumper.
Those two models, BTW, were not allowed to be sold in Maryland, because the State's DMV did not consider the front end a legal bumper.
You had one of those in High School?? Very lucky! I can't remember a time when the Superbird/Daytona models weren't already going way up in value. In my high school years 60's-80's classics that weren't high priced special editions were still kind of attainable at that time.... but nothing like a Superbird, Shelby, Yenko, any 426 Hemi Plymouth/Dodge, etc.
Maryland really dropped the ball there. That's similar to whichever states forced the 1967 Shelby Mustang GT350 and GT500 to switch from the original in-board high beam lights that Carroll Shelby wanted to outboard high beam lights.
Dodge has many retired performance car names to chose from... the Daytona among them... but they really, really should just carry the Challenger and Charger into a next generation as muscle car EV's that emphasize the driver.
Maybe they'd also look into a revived Barracuda model...?
#39
You had one of those in High School?? Very lucky!
When I said I went to HS with it, I meant it was sold during those years.
Maryland really dropped the ball there. That's similar to whichever states forced the 1967 Shelby Mustang GT350 and GT500 to switch from the original in-board high beam lights that Carroll Shelby wanted to outboard high beam lights.
Maybe they'd also look into a revived Barracuda model...?
Frankly, I'd like to see a Road Runner come back. I always liked the RR's bird-cartoons, Beep-Beep horn, and bright-lollipop paint colors. Dodge almost did it with the Charger R/T, but that has four doors and lacks the RR's bird-graphics/horn.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-23-21 at 10:58 PM.
#40
Sure modern cars have a lot of computer assistance especially with launch control.
But the driver is still the focal point and inputs for throttle, braking, shifting still matter. Knowing how to launch a car properly is a skill even with modern Hellcat.
Model S - you are a passenger along for the ride. Tesla wants to eliminate any human decisions altogether. Its a different ethos and some ppl like Tesla for this but it’s not for everyone.
But the driver is still the focal point and inputs for throttle, braking, shifting still matter. Knowing how to launch a car properly is a skill even with modern Hellcat.
Model S - you are a passenger along for the ride. Tesla wants to eliminate any human decisions altogether. Its a different ethos and some ppl like Tesla for this but it’s not for everyone.
#41
Sure modern cars have a lot of computer assistance especially with launch control.
But the driver is still the focal point and inputs for throttle, braking, shifting still matter. Knowing how to launch a car properly is a skill even with modern Hellcat.
Model S - you are a passenger along for the ride. Tesla wants to eliminate any human decisions altogether. Its a different ethos and some ppl like Tesla for this but it’s not for everyone.
But the driver is still the focal point and inputs for throttle, braking, shifting still matter. Knowing how to launch a car properly is a skill even with modern Hellcat.
Model S - you are a passenger along for the ride. Tesla wants to eliminate any human decisions altogether. Its a different ethos and some ppl like Tesla for this but it’s not for everyone.
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 11-24-21 at 11:12 AM.
#42
The Charger also had a street-legal Superbird-clone, called the Daytona...named, of course, for its NASCAR-use. I went to high school with it.
Those two models, BTW, were not allowed to be sold in Maryland, because the State's DMV did not consider the front end a legal bumper.
Those two models, BTW, were not allowed to be sold in Maryland, because the State's DMV did not consider the front end a legal bumper.
#43
There are no moving parts to an EV, nothing really to go wrong. ICE is way more complex and unless you have 911 TurboS are not easy to launch and get consistent times like u can in a Tesla. Its controlled by computer first, human inputs are secondary thats why its so consistent in its performance.
#44
Well, everyone but Ralph Nader, the Maryland DMV....and, to an extent, DOT. But, I agree, regs were a lot less stringent in those days.
Also, consider this......that the only reason that the Superbird and Charger Daytona were ever sold for street-use was that NASCAR itself mandated that 1000 of them had to be privately-sold so they could run on NASCAR tracks.
#45
I have driven EVs - Mode 3, Y and MB EQS.
There are no moving parts to an EV, nothing really to go wrong. ICE is way more complex and unless you have 911 TurboS are not easy to launch and get consistent times like u can in a Tesla. Its controlled by computer first, human inputs are secondary thats why its so consistent in its performance.
There are no moving parts to an EV, nothing really to go wrong. ICE is way more complex and unless you have 911 TurboS are not easy to launch and get consistent times like u can in a Tesla. Its controlled by computer first, human inputs are secondary thats why its so consistent in its performance.
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 11-24-21 at 11:48 AM.