Dodge to kill off Hellcats after 2023, replaced by EV's
11-24-21, 08:06 PM
#61
Super Moderator
Please do explain how Demon sales have been "trending downward". They made 3,000 in as a limited edition in a single model year--which means FCA (they weren't yet Stellantis) hasn't sold any since the run ended in early 2018. The very cheapest used one listed nationwide is 50% more than its original sticker. Most are double, and some are almost triple the original MSRP.
11-24-21, 08:22 PM
#62
Lead Lap
I loved my Durango SRT and that V8 sound never got old to me, especially upon start up. Of course everyone is different.
11-24-21, 10:44 PM
#63
Lexus Champion
Please do explain how Demon sales have been "trending downward". They made 3,000 in as a limited edition in a single model year--which means FCA (they weren't yet Stellantis) hasn't sold any since the run ended in early 2018. The very cheapest used one listed nationwide is 50% more than its original sticker. Most are double, and some are almost triple the original MSRP.
I don't know how accurate these numbers are. Let's assume they are not, If the Hellcat is a cash cow, then my question is why kill it off? I don't know any Challenger/Charger owners, but I would assume ending the platform in favor of going EV would **** many of them off
11-24-21, 10:50 PM
#64
Lexus Champion
11-25-21, 08:07 AM
#65
Lexus Test Driver
Getting rid of them will not help environment- they sell in 1yr what F150 sells in a month.
11-25-21, 08:15 AM
#66
Lexus Test Driver
I don't know how accurate these numbers are. Let's assume they are not, If the Hellcat is a cash cow, then my question is why kill it off? I don't know any Challenger/Charger owners, but I would assume ending the platform in favor of going EV would **** many of them off
50-60k cars annually is nothing for a huge conglomerate like that. The corporate suits could care less about heritage or customer base, they think they know better then some dumb Americans. How else can you explain this idiotic decision to replace V8 muscle cars with EV. At least they realize how outrageous this decision is or at least the Dodge brand people do:
Last edited by RNM GS3; 11-25-21 at 08:19 AM.
11-25-21, 08:54 AM
#67
Super Moderator
The only Hellcat product that doesn't currently have a hard end date due to emissions/fuel efficiency rules is the Ram TRX.
11-25-21, 09:51 AM
#68
Lexus Test Driver
The CEO has been very public in saying that while they can currently pay stiff penalties and still produce the Hellcat Challenger/Charger, the rules tighten up in 2 years and that won't be an option anymore. They already had to halt production of the Hellcat Durango after just one year because it's no longer legal after MY2021. They originally planned to produce it for just 6 months (2,000 units), but demand was so strong they cranked out an extra 1,000 units in June, the last month of production.
The only Hellcat product that doesn't currently have a hard end date due to emissions/fuel efficiency rules is the Ram TRX.
The only Hellcat product that doesn't currently have a hard end date due to emissions/fuel efficiency rules is the Ram TRX.
Just continued mismanagement and Dodge CEO has no say in what Stellantis wants anyway.
11-26-21, 07:25 AM
#69
Lexus Fanatic
I don't think Dodge/FCA are abandoning the Charger/Challenger for the sake of jumping into EV'S. Looking at sales figures over the years, they have been trending downwards. Especially the Hellcat and Demon. The gravy train is basically drying up, the excitement is not what it was, especially with gas prices what they are
Electric torque, though, is somewhat different from gas torque....substantially different curves. Depending on how they are tuned, large gas engines generally reach peak torque at a few thousand RPMs, with less torque at higher RPMs (where you typically reach your HP peak), and at lower RPMs. Electric motors, on the other hand, are much more linear in output......max torque is at very low RPM (hypothetically, on paper at least, at 0 RPM)...and, the faster they spin, the more torque they lose. That is why cars like the Tesla 3, with its one-speed transmission, will shove you in the back like a rocket from the moment you stab the throttle (assuming that the tires have adequate traction), and why the Hemi-Dodges will take a few seconds, depending on the transmission/final-drive gearing and if you have forced-induction / turbo-lag or not.
And its kind of universal in terms of electric vehicles too. I was just in Austin and we rode electric scooters and bikes around, I was really surprised that even an electric bike that goes 23 MPH has that same from 0 accelerate like a train feeling that is really fun.
11-26-21, 08:15 AM
#70
Have you ever driven an EV? What you describe is what is so fun about the way an EV accelerates. They feel like they could literally accelerate forever.
And its kind of universal in terms of electric vehicles too. I was just in Austin and we rode electric scooters and bikes around, I was really surprised that even an electric bike that goes 23 MPH has that same from 0 accelerate like a train feeling that is really fun.
And its kind of universal in terms of electric vehicles too. I was just in Austin and we rode electric scooters and bikes around, I was really surprised that even an electric bike that goes 23 MPH has that same from 0 accelerate like a train feeling that is really fun.
11-26-21, 08:41 AM
#71
Lexus Fanatic
We have a bunch of Revel electric scooters in NYC, I was often riding until the company ripped me off, and I wouldn't say that they have strong torque. They max out at 28ish mph, at least with my 220lbs, and the acceleration is slow compared to even the least powerful gas powered motorcycles.
11-26-21, 09:36 PM
#73
Lexus Fanatic
And its kind of universal in terms of electric vehicles too. I was just in Austin and we rode electric scooters and bikes around, I was really surprised that even an electric bike that goes 23 MPH has that same from 0 accelerate like a train feeling that is really fun.
11-26-21, 11:26 PM
#74
Lexus Champion
11-27-21, 08:21 AM
#75
Lexus Fanatic
Not to get too far off-topic, but did you like Austin? I lived there a long time ago (did my sophomore year at McCallum High School)....although it was much smaller in those days, and, except for the UT tower and State Capitol, it didn't have the big skyline it has today. Very nice city...picturesque in the Western part of the city/suburbs, as you climb the Balcones Front into the Texas Hill Country.