bitkahuna

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good, yes, and it wasn't appropriate to bring it up here in the first place. thank you.

Toys4RJill

I think the new Genesis styling works better on those new crossovers better than their cars. Seen the G80 and at dealers it looks great….very high quality that reminds me of Lexus when they emerged in the 1990s….but when I see the G80 on the road, it reminded me closer of Hyundai Sonata and loses the presence. The outdoing G90 with the new styling was pretty good looking. Will be interesting to see what the new G90 is like in person.

pbm317

Heckblende taillights are on everything. Do like that the Genesis maintains its "2 lines" theme. very distinctive at night at least

https://jalopnik.com/heckblende-tail...now-1830885780

bitkahuna

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i could point out dozens of differences, but we each see what we want to see.

mmarshall

While the two are definitely similar, I'm not sure that I quite agree with your reasoning. That would be like panning Lexus for using the same spindle grille across the board from their lowest-cost to top-of-the-line models.

Not only that, but Audi, in particular, has a long history of styling all of their sedans more or less alike, and has been quite successful at it.

TangoRed

To be fair you're talking Audi and Lexus lineups, so just one brand. This is Hyundai and Genesis, two brands.

In any event other than the taillights connecting and the angular trunk lid crease I'm not seeing the big deal. Genesis' two bar lighting in the front and back draws enough daylight between the two not to care.

Motorola

This is a bummer. No plans for an EV version, or if there were any they were ruled out in favor of what is likely to be the GV90, which will share its electric platform with the Ioniq 7 and Kia EV9.

Genesis G90 Electrified (EV) ruled out by brand CEO – Report

Supposedly they plan to sell 20K units worldwide this year but have already received 18K orders in South Korea alone. Their domestic market demand is the sole reason Genesis is capable of developing all these luxury sedans while other Asian and American brands can't afford to.

mmarshall

Can't say I disagree. Like I told another poster recently (can't remember who it was) sometimes I think we tend to get worked up and opinionated so much over such small vehicle details. I'm learning to simply live and let live on some things.


That's not to say that I don't have opinions any more (there are still some things I dislike on a vehicle)...but it's not worth going on and on about, like was the case, for example, with the big UAW GM strike a couple of years ago and GM shutting down the sedan-plants. I think half of my 85,000 posts were spent on that one subject LOL.

bitkahuna

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good. ev versions of ice platforms make no sense going forward.

COOLIS

This new design is really beautiful, but one thing overlooked is still the dealership experience, especially since a Genesis isn't really a bargain anymore. Until recently, the closest Genesis "standalone" dealer to me shared a parking lot (and staff) with the neighboring Hyundai dealer. We now do have a truly standalone dealer nearby in Santa Monica, so that's a start. I'm shocked Genesis hasn't opened a Beverly Hills dealership just for marketing alone.

My big concern with Genesis is still long term reliability. I know this doesn't matter for most, but when I buy a car, I usually keep them for quite some time. The Equus, arguably the G90 predecessor, has been showing it's quality pitfalls - air suspension failing, transmissions going out, electronic components failing, etc. via the forums I follow over there. The G90 has also had some hiccups based on those forums as well. I know there aren't any perfect cars, but part of the reason Lexus has kept me as a loyal customer is their longevity, reliability and customer service (when I do use the dealer).

Time will tell if Genesis can compete on the dealership front and reliability front. Again, I know this doesn't bother most. Genesis sales increased nicely in 2021. I would love to see the data on what brands those buyers are coming from. I'd say it's safe to assume many are buyers moving upmarket vs. buyers who own competing luxury brands, but I could be wrong...

Motorola

Air suspension will inevitably fail no matter who makes it. Even the LS430, arguably the most bulletproof vehicle Lexus has ever made, couldn't escape its pitfalls.

You brought up an interesting comparison between the G90 and Equus though- the Equus had air suspension, massage seats, coolers, and other features that were removed when it was succeeded by the G90 (not just for the American market, this applied to South Korea as well). So in a way the G90 has come full circle by bringing back these features, but it makes you wonder why they were missing for one generation to begin with.

SW17LS

Although modern air suspension systems are better. For instance, there are not many suspension failures on the W222 S Class forums even with that car dating back to 2014

Motorola

The Equus came out in 2009 IIRC.

I think ten years is generally the limit for most air suspensions. Even if they don't fail, dealers will demand that the air bags be replaced before that ten year mark.

SW17LS

I mean just age, if you look in the LS460 forum there are already 13-17 refresh air suspension failures

bitkahuna

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the equus is ancient. if you keep any car over a decade you're going to have problems.

but also worth nothing, past performance is no prediction of future vehicles. so if that 2008 equus had issues, a 2023 g90 should be WORLDS better.