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So here we go, I built some. This is a non executive car, so this does not have the executive rear seating package with the lounger like the G90 S/C but it does have power rear seats. S500 would be $7K less:
This is an executive line car that is really whats comparable to the G90 S/C:
This is how I would option one, AMG package, 20" wheels, exclusive nappa, Burmester 4D but no heads up or eABC:
In any event, significantly more money than a G90.
Your build is irrelevant and mostly cosmetic like AMG kit which G90 doesn’t even offer comparable option.
Anybody can go and add useless options to drive up price.
The base S580 is a superior car in every regard over G90 and 99.9% of ppl would choose it given the choice between the 2.
When less than ten percent of all the S580's sold in the country are less than $125K, then yeah it is quite literally a unicorn. This is just a silly comparison, and by that logic nobody would consider an S500 either, which make up around half the 2022 MY S-Classes available on Autotrader.
There's currently 36 MY 2022 Maybachs for sale in the U.S. That's pretty much the same number of stripper S580's for sale. If your car is as rare as a Maybach, it doesn't represent a realistic option.
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
The G90 needs to be much better in every way vs S580; which it certainly is not.
Its not even that much of a value play is what im hinting at especially as you can get S500 for $110k!
Where do you keep pulling these numbers from lol. A base S500 starts at $112K, and you can't even option some of the same features as a G90 like RWS unless you move to the AMG model, which starts at $116K. They are in no way remotely comparable price-wise.
Likewise, good luck finding a base S500 when there are a grand total of 43 out of 868 MY 2022 S500's below $113K for sale in the whole country.
For $50,000 less? Maybe. $50,000 is a lot of money. Whats the delta on the lease payment? We'll see.
Those low option S580s have no road sensing suspension, no upgraded audio, no upgraded interior so where the G90 has real leather and alcantara the S will have MBtex and cloth headlining, they have no power rear seat options or rear seat comfort options of any kind while the G90 has full lounge seating.
The Mercedes will have better engineering for sure, but a lot of the interior design is questionable (I actually prefer the G90s dash), ride will be more sophisticated but won't be a HUGE departure (think my S560 vs my LS460L) and will lack the road sensing functionality. Luxury, depends on what you mean, the G90 will have much better materials inside unless the S560 has exclusive nappa which they won't at that price point.
As for tech, not really...a lot of the tech in the W223 is ridiculous and Genesis/Hyundai has really good drive assist systems even in their lower end cars.
Build quality from Mercedes is not as good as Lexus...I'm sure this G90 will be just as good or better.
Even a 6 cyl S500 optioned similarly to a $100k SC G90 is a $140,000 car.
The S Class is a better car no question, but it is 50% more money. You could buy a G90 AND a G80!
I love my S Class, but I'm not paying a $2,500 a month lease payment for a W223, its not worth that.
Hard to go from a MB V8 to the Genesis V6. You’ll be seriously downgrading.
comparing s580 and g90 is pretty stupid. a similar feature set s580 costs tens of thousands more but obviously has an amazing v8 vs a pretty great v6.
alternatively cherry picking a low option s580 means while it's closer in cost it isn't close in feature content of the g90.
certainly ANY s-class has a century of reputation, prestige, etc. which no g90 will be able to compete with. instead, the g90 is a value play offering a TON of features in a single package offering... only choices are engine and color!
the g90 is a value play offering a TON of features in a single package offering...r!
Genesis needs to find a way out of the “value” stigma. They’d be there wth a V8 making 500hp … or heck.. V12 in low quantity would put them ahead of everyone.
Genesis needs to find a way out of the “value” stigma. They’d be there wth a V8 making 500hp … or heck.. V12 in low quantity would put them ahead of everyone.
I would like to see Acura or Infiniti or Lincoln try to make a $100,000 flagship sedan. Genesis is only a value relative to its direct competitors, and its competitors are the Germans.
Genesis is only a value relative to its direct competitors, and its competitors are the Germans.
Lexus LS500 is the only direct competitor to this, silly media is comparing it to the Germans Genesis doesn’t even have dealers. This is seriously nice effort, but all the competitors made this type of car about a decade ago. Astonishing to me that the Lexus has more HP from 2018 MY design. Hyundai is a strange company sometimes, a more upscale GV with more power would better money spent.
Lexus LS500 is the only direct competitor to this, silly media is comparing it to the Germans Genesis doesn’t even have dealers. This is seriously nice car, but all the competitors made this type of car about a decade ago.
LS500 doesn't even offer a more powerful engine like the supercharged V6 in the Genesis. The current TTV6 in the LS isn't any faster than the ancient 3.3T V6 in the outgoing G90.
Lexus would need to give the LS the new hybrid powertrain from the Tundra for it to be competitive against this G90.
LS500 doesn't even offer a more powerful engine like the supercharged V6 in the Genesis. The current TTV6 in the LS isn't any faster than the ancient 3.3T V6 in the outgoing G90.
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I thought the LS500 was pushing 414hp I could be wrong though Just surprised Genesis is not pushing far more HP. It is a nice effort and reviews are stellar
Genesis needs to find a way out of the “value” stigma.
first, there's more of a market than just north america. genesis will sell a ton of these in their home market. and second, by 'value' i'm not talking walmart lol, i'm really talking about the appeal of getting EVERY feature in one vehicle, and not having to tediously sort through hundreds of available s-class listings to find one with the combination of features one wants, or custom order and wait for months, or just pay the $150-160K for a loaded one.
obviously most markets have deeply entrenched loyalty primarily to mercedes s-class which probably outsells a8 and 7 series by miles so the latter 2 don't really count.
for genesis to actually threaten the s-class, they'd have to do something really spectacular, and this isn't it, even though it's a fine effort and pretty big step up from the prior g90 (which thoroughly enjoyed for 3 years).
genesis knows it takes time, and they're gaining respect with their line-up which now includes 3 EVs.
obviously most markets have deeply entrenched loyalty primarily to mercedes s-class which probably outsells a8 and 7 series by miles so the latter 2 don't really count.
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Sure they count. Audi and BMW sell a lot of these models in Europe
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
genesis knows it takes time, and they're gaining respect with their line-up which now includes 3 EVs.
The exterior of the GV-EV is not gonna win many exterior respect awards.
The exterior of the GV-EV is not gonna win many exterior respect awards.
there's gv60 and gv70 now. and you've made it clear over and over and over that you hate hyundai/kia/genesis. the gv60 has won multiple design awards.
... The Genesis GV60, a model that embodies the brand's journey toward electrification, was recognized for its sleek and athletic coupe CUV design, which reinterprets the brand’s “Athletic Elegance” design identity. https://www.hyundaimotorgroup.com/ne...00000000024028
LS500 doesn't even offer a more powerful engine like the supercharged V6 in the Genesis. The current TTV6 in the LS isn't any faster than the ancient 3.3T V6 in the outgoing G90.
Lexus would need to give the LS the new hybrid powertrain from the Tundra for it to be competitive against this G90.
So what? The G90 e-s is still less powerful than the base LS500. G90 e-s's 34hp and 14lbft increases over the base G90 engine, real eye-watering for $10K more
As an aside I agree the LS500 should get the Tundra's hybrid powerplant option
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I thought the LS500 was pushing 414hp I could be wrong though Just surprised Genesis is not pushing far more HP. It is a nice effort and reviews are stellar
So what? The G90 e-s is still less powerful than the base LS500. G90 e-s's 34hp and 14lbft increases over the base G90 engine, real eye-watering for $10K more
As an aside I agree the LS500 should get the Tundra's hybrid powerplant option
416. You shorted it by 2
Numbers only mean something if they equate real world performance, which in this case the LS500 is no faster than the on-paper less powerful last generation G90. If its anything like the S500 powertrain, the new one will unquestionably mop the floor with the LS in a straight line lol.
Seriously, how can a vehicle that has 442 ft-lbs of torque be no faster than a vehicle with 70 less. Lexus overstated the power figures.
Your build is irrelevant and mostly cosmetic like AMG kit which G90 doesn’t even offer comparable option.
Anybody can go and add useless options to drive up price.
The base S580 is a superior car in every regard over G90 and 99.9% of ppl would choose it given the choice between the 2.
The top two options do not have the AMG Package. The bottom line is, thats what a comparable S580 costs, choosing a cheaper S580 means you are giving up all of that equipment, which you may not care about but its a fact.
The G90 is DRAMATICALLY cheaper than the S Class, which is a fact.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Hard to go from a MB V8 to the Genesis V6. You’ll be seriously downgrading.
I mean, money is money. It would be one thing if I could go get another S Class for what I am paying for the S Class I have, but replacing my S Class with another comparable S Class will cost me $1,000 a month more. I love the car but I don't know that I want to pay that much more to "tread water"
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
comparing s580 and g90 is pretty stupid. a similar feature set s580 costs tens of thousands more but obviously has an amazing v8 vs a pretty great v6.
alternatively cherry picking a low option s580 means while it's closer in cost it isn't close in feature content of the g90.
I think you will see more people with S Classes considering this car than you think. There are lots of people like me who aren't sure they want to pay $2,500 a month to lease another S Class.
08-03-22, 05:58 PM
Genesis doesn’t even have dealers. This is seriously nice effort, but all the competitors made this type of car about a decade ago. Astonishing to me that the Lexus has more HP from 2018 MY design. Hyundai is a strange company sometimes, a more upscale GV with more power would better money spent.
