Lexus will be all-EV brand by 2030, introduces entire future lineup
12-15-21, 08:17 AM
#106
Lexus Fanatic
I'm not "keen" on getting rid of ICE cars and having only EV options, in fact I'm concerned about it since the types of vehicles I like seem to be difficult to make as EVs, I just call it like I see it. The momentum towards EVs is unstoppable, all of these companies WILL sell largely or all EVs within 10 years or so, like it or not.
The ideal, IMO, would be for the industry to offer each new vehicle in two different configurations.....ICE and BEV. That way, the buyer will have a choice. It will probably necessitate a line of fewer vehicles from each manufacturer (and dual-service facilities for gas and BEV vehicles), but, IMO, particularly in the line-ups of huge manufacturers like Chevy, Ford, and Toyota, and Hyundai/Kia, there are already more vehicle-choices in the line-up than is probably necessary, particularly with small crossovers.
12-15-21, 09:12 AM
#107
Pole Position
Will all these vehicles use the same powerplant like Toyota likes to do up and down their line? Do we know?
I don't know much about the EV technology so I'm curious to know if it's the same powerplant with different sizes? How does Tesla do it in their cars?
I don't know much about the EV technology so I'm curious to know if it's the same powerplant with different sizes? How does Tesla do it in their cars?
12-15-21, 09:20 AM
#108
I actually really like that hatchback. Compared to the sedan that was further to the right of the LFA-like coupe, it sorta gives off IS Sportcross vibes to me. I highly doubt it would come stateside though.
12-15-21, 09:22 AM
#109
Lexus Champion
We'll see. 8 years is not far away at all. And you have half the country that won't ever buy one just because they're stubborn. (Glorious America!)
12-15-21, 09:30 AM
#110
EV ftw!!!
12-15-21, 09:39 AM
#111
Lexus Champion
If you want proof, non-partisan AAA did a huge study and concluded EVs lose 41% of range at 20 degree temps or lower when the heater is used.
EVs are great for Southern California. Where it gets cold, not so much. You buy a $100,000 Tesla and lose half your range when it gets cold? What a joke.
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/02/col...vehicle-range/
AAA is not political, or minimally. I have never found anything they've thrown out to be partisan in any way or another.
Some of y'all are gonna have to read this link and weep.
12-15-21, 09:46 AM
#112
Lexus Champion
Of course we do! But we also aren't really keen on fixing stuff that isn't broken. I've said lol if I were filthy rich I'd probably buy a Tesla as a 4th or 5th car.
12-15-21, 09:47 AM
#113
EV ftw!!!
No, it's based on common knowledge. Cold is bad for batteries. That right there is common sense.
If you want proof, non-partisan AAA did a huge study and concluded EVs lose 41% of range at 20 degree temps or lower when the heater is used.
EVs are great for Southern California. Where it gets cold, not so much. You buy a $100,000 Tesla and lose half your range when it gets cold? What a joke.
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/02/col...vehicle-range/
AAA is not political, or minimally. I have never found anything they've thrown out to be partisan in any way or another.
Some of y'all are gonna have to read this link and weep.
If you want proof, non-partisan AAA did a huge study and concluded EVs lose 41% of range at 20 degree temps or lower when the heater is used.
EVs are great for Southern California. Where it gets cold, not so much. You buy a $100,000 Tesla and lose half your range when it gets cold? What a joke.
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/02/col...vehicle-range/
AAA is not political, or minimally. I have never found anything they've thrown out to be partisan in any way or another.
Some of y'all are gonna have to read this link and weep.
Your statement of an EV being horrible in cold is by definition - your statement, that's all it is.
My car loses between 20 - 30% of range when the temperature is close to freezing - if that's "horrible" to you, then that's what it is. Let's not generalize and spread misinformation.
12-15-21, 09:50 AM
#114
Lexus Fanatic
i do agree that akio toyoda is a very unconvincing presenter (just from body language), has been all over the map, and should be replaced. it is important to remember though the japanese govt also heavily influences what he says.
yup, oil capital of canada, and you're driving 20 and 30 year old cars. when are you getting an EV?
12-15-21, 09:51 AM
#115
Lexus Champion
I speak from personal experience - I've owned a Model S for 2.5 years, and I live in Canada.
Your statement of an EV being horrible in cold is by definition - your statement, that's all it is.
My car loses between 20 - 30% of range when the temperature is close to freezing - if that's "horrible" to you, then that's what it is. Let's not generalize and spread misinformation.
Your statement of an EV being horrible in cold is by definition - your statement, that's all it is.
My car loses between 20 - 30% of range when the temperature is close to freezing - if that's "horrible" to you, then that's what it is. Let's not generalize and spread misinformation.
12-15-21, 09:53 AM
#116
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
they did the LFA, an outrageous (and fabulous) move for a 'boring' luxury car maker.
they had scion, for a while, which wasn't ultimately successful, but still a bold move.
and now, ev'ificiation.
If you want proof, non-partisan AAA did a huge study and concluded EVs lose 41% of range at 20 degree temps or lower when the heater is used.
cold has been viewed as bad for batteries because range has been generally less in tests, but that was primarily because the car's heaters (to keep those wimpy humans warm) were simply heating elements which were a big drain on the battery. more and more EVs are using heat pumps now, which unless the weather is extremely cold, draw much less.
see this: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/heat-p...-ar192036.html
12-15-21, 09:57 AM
#117
Lexus Champion
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the AAA article is from nearly 3 years ago.
cold has been viewed as bad for batteries because range has been generally less in tests, but that was primarily because the car's heaters (to keep those wimpy humans warm) were simply heating elements which were a big drain on the battery. more and more EVs are using heat pumps now, which unless the weather is extremely cold, draw much less.
the AAA article is from nearly 3 years ago.
cold has been viewed as bad for batteries because range has been generally less in tests, but that was primarily because the car's heaters (to keep those wimpy humans warm) were simply heating elements which were a big drain on the battery. more and more EVs are using heat pumps now, which unless the weather is extremely cold, draw much less.
12-15-21, 10:01 AM
#118
Lexus Fanatic
Cold has no effect on a gas vehicle? What?
12-15-21, 10:04 AM
#119
EV ftw!!!
12-15-21, 10:06 AM
#120
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
But since Akio has done almost nothing to transition Toyota to EVs I can only go on what he says, which ranges from Toyota is all in on EVs to EVs are worse for the environment than gas cars, and will kill millions of jobs. And no the Japanese government is not to blame for what Akio says or does.
What does this matter to the discussion? Is a person specifically tied to and responsible for what happens in a particular region? Has to drive a certain type of car or can't talk about said technology unless they own it? As usual you love to talk about me personally then you do the cowardly thing and never respond when I question it. Like here
You going to respond? Nope, and because you're a mod you are above the rules I've seen many people get a warning not to make things personal but you keep doing it. Here's what will happen this time, another mod will say something along the lines of, "everyone stop making it personal" instead of warning YOU.
You going to respond? Nope, and because you're a mod you are above the rules I've seen many people get a warning not to make things personal but you keep doing it. Here's what will happen this time, another mod will say something along the lines of, "everyone stop making it personal" instead of warning YOU.
you also bring out boiling oil and daggers in your posts about anything to do with toyota/lexus these days. i've certainly been a critic of many things they've done over the years. but i don't make it personal about the ceo, just as i don't make what tesla does about "elon".
how about we just wish toyota/lexus well on their announced goals, while you, and i, and probably everyone here is skeptical of them until we see more evidence of progress.