China will soon open the floodgates of EV's......On another note is all these clowns that park in the EV charging stalls, specially when there are other spots to park....

 

That's a job for the people in blue........

 

If you like torque and speed then you might enjoy it. Throw in the tech and no need to buy gas. My friends who own them say they are never coming back to ICE cars. I am not the biggest tesla fan, but I totally get the attraction. I am waiting for more and better choices which are on the way.

 

great minds think alike. that's why i got one a year ago in 3 days.

that's a good thought... yes amazing car.

Sounds familiar.

 

It will come. Just look at all of these EVs...EVs that will work for us will come.

 

The Lucid Air that is coming out looks like it's going to be awesome. Throttle House just released their review. The opening is hilarious

 

They also solve a lot of problems, everything becomes smoother, more luxurious and yes even more fun.
I do have to say that so far, I like how Tesla and now Rivian are thinking outside the box. Same goes for Lucid.

You can see they started fresh and there is a lot of benefit there.

 

agreed. yes, ICE has constrained car design although human creativity and ingenuity has certainly produced amazing variations with front, mid and rear engine positions! I look forward to more creative EV packaging designs... some will hate, some will love, but it's opened up whole new options.

 

I'm not excited by any EVs right now. Range and the lack of infrastructure leaves me cold.

 

You don't seem to understand what free market means with the "you buy one or don't buy one" comment. Free markets are markets that are driven solely by supply and demand, with little to no government interference from regulations/tariffs/incentives/quotas/subsidies. Politics aside, the government created an entire fake carbon credit market that allowed Tesla to survive. ICE automakers were forced to subsidize their competition. And those EVs and tax credit were given large tax credits to incentivize their purchase. Same goes for your solar.

And that's also the reason you see so much emphasis on EVs in marketing these days. Automakers see trillions of future green dollars coming in Federal legislation and are lining up to get their piece of the pie. They also see many more regulations on ICE coming that will make development more expensive. Those facts are pushing automakers to EVs. Whether you agree or disagree with the intent, it has nothing to do with free markets. Quite the opposite.

 

I agree. I love my battery powered tools at home. Electric cars will get there, and probably sooner than later. I just want it to be a choice, not forced by legislation or the economics of market manipulation.

 

A lot of that "demand" though, is because of government regulations. When something is mandated in Washington (or California), it's difficult for the industry to say no. In that sense, it is not politics.......it is an actual economic market force.

 

All the cars are constrained by design, there needs to be a passenger compartment, cargo room, vehicle safety, pedestrian safety, etc. Electric cars can have a somewhat different approach to the packaging of the drivetrain, but they still have to have crumple zones, and they have an additional challenge when it comes to packaging the battery.

I am not and will not be excited by EVs unless there is a radical breakthrough in battery tech. Right now the battery tech we have has peaked out roughly 10 years ago, and manufacturers are treading dangerous waters by trying to squeeze marginal increases in capacity to the point where the batteries are unstable and there is a high risk of self combustion.

As it stands, both ICE and electric motor tech have been around roughly the same amount of time, and have more or less peaked out. Clearly, electric motors and electric drivetrains are far superior to ICEs, if you look at them purely from performance standpoint setting aside any emotional and purist factors. But the battery tech is absolutely awful, and comes with so many shortcomings that as an overall package, ICE cars are just better.

 

I get what you're saying. Everything aside, you can still choose to buy or not to buy (some Shakespeare ). For almost 30 years I chose to buy Toyota/Lexus products because I feel they are the most reliable cars made. Others chose not to because they don't like the infotainment system or the lack of HP. In 2018 I decided to make a change and bought a Honda, but came back a year later. The choice is there, and ICE vehicles are not going anywhere anytime soon.

As far as regulations, they are there and we just have to work around them. But not all of them are bad IMO. I grew up in smog filled Southern California where you couldn't see the Hollywood hills that were just 5 miles away. I'm thankful regulations helped make the air much cleaner

 

Correct. The more the government intervenes with regulations/incentives/whatever to create demand for one product over another, the less of a free market it becomes.