I work for an R&D startup, so I know how it works. Yes what you are saying is true about the planning, What I am saying is the logistics of switching to all EV production by 2030 is impossible, even if that's what everyone wants. Battery development needs at least another 5 years, and proper infrastructure probably needs another 10, just in California alone. If you couldn't even switch to all EV in a place like California at this point, imagine Wyoming, S Dakota, or other rural parts of the Mid-West and country. I don't know what to tell you except you cannot convert an auto infrastructure designed for ICE by 2030. Maybe by 2030 California may reach 30% to 50% (the numbers are only a guess) EV adoption, but I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that it ain't happening in other parts of the United States

 

I think your own personal bias against EVs is clouding your perception here. People do want EVs, there is a ton to like for the average consumer.

 

Also the sales numbers prove it, as well as the number of start-ups popping up to compete in the market. Most people who want them are usually hesitant because of range anxiety, they get over that pretty quickly once they actually drive one

 

I think RNM has many points, in that it's not a one way street for EV's.

While the future is certainly EV's, they do have issues that they must address like overnight top-up charging facities kerbside and in apartments like across NY, and that electricity prices will skyrocket, and EV taxes may eventually be introduced.

While solar is free, the solar panels and PowerWall batteries are costly, so it's not really free after all.

 

I’m not discounting that there are consumers that want EVs, of course there are especially in CA or other places where you have supporting infrastructure.

But the average Joe and Jane also want the next cool thing which is Tesla, the fact that its an EV is secondary. Its also a “fashion” statement more than they actually want an EV specifically.

People naturally are attracted to new innovative products which Tesla definitely has created.

I personally have no bias and would update my X3 to an EV tomorrow if it offers same features / design / performance without hassle of charging in NY metro area. Unfortunately that doesn’t exist. A similar EV would also weigh at least a 1,000lbs more which would affect braking and handling performance, tires etc.

 

Average consumers care about mundane things in a car, enthusiasts do not want EVs.

 

I see a lot of enthusiasts right here who want EVs...

 

From what I see, I would not call them enthusiasts, they are more amused with electronic gimmicks and other nonsense.

 

Complete nonsense. Many enthusiasts want EVs. Many do not. Plenty on both sides.

 

Go visit the Tesla forum performance section and you'll see far more people there that own/owned M3s, 911s, Vettes, Caymans, Camaros, and Mustangs than the subset of people I see here. A couple of them regularly compete at high levels in autocross and attend track events regularly. Enthusiasts don't want EVs is complete nonsense.

 

Anybody who posts on a car forum religiously is an enthusiast. Are you saying I'm not a car enthusiast?

 

Maybe "soft" enthusiasts, who like trendy cars, but not much beyond that. True enthusiasts who have petrol running through their veins don't want anything to do with the EV nonsense.

 

Steve, you have a minivan in your garage.

 

Again, nonsense. Plenty of my friends own weekend sports cars that track them and drive a Tesla as their daily ride. I guess you think Jay Leno isn't a "real" enthusiast as he daily drives a Model S. Bet he's forgotten more about cars than most people ever know about them.

 

I too have plenty of friends who are car enthusiasts, none care for the EVs.