Hyundai moving away from hydrogen
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I wouldn't quite use that term, but, if you insist, then I'll say Toyota should put up. Hydrogen, IMO, makes more sense than pure BEV....but only if an adequate network of hydrogen-refill stations can be built and supplied. BEVs are just not feasible for a lot of people. For my own personal needs (although obviously not the case with everyone) an extended-range hybrid with a small gas engine for recharging would probably be best...but GM doesn't offer that option with the Encore GX. Hopefully, it will.
I really respect Hyundai's bold decisions lately and they are reacting bravely to the transition to BEV. They are making decisions quickly and moving quickly compared to most in the industry.
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And, again, not everyone has (or needs) the facilities you have....single-family home with built-in recharging. Having said that, though, future government action may mandate built-in chargers in new homes (220-400 volts, not just 110), and/or retrofitting to existing ones where feasible.
We've also talked a lot on Car Chat about the future needs of the electric power-grid itself to recharge all these EVs (in addition to present and future needs), but precious little evidence (outside of talk) on just how that is going to be achieved. With more variable weather/climate, the system is going to be more taxed just keeping up with heating/AC needs at home, much less vehicles.
We've also talked a lot on Car Chat about the future needs of the electric power-grid itself to recharge all these EVs (in addition to present and future needs), but precious little evidence (outside of talk) on just how that is going to be achieved. With more variable weather/climate, the system is going to be more taxed just keeping up with heating/AC needs at home, much less vehicles.
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And, again, not everyone has (or needs) the facilities you have....single-family home with built-in recharging. Having said that, though, future government action may mandate built-in chargers in new homes (220-400 volts, not just 110), and/or retrofitting to existing ones where feasible.
We've also talked a lot on Car Chat about the future needs of the electric power-grid itself to recharge all these EVs (in addition to present and future needs), but precious little evidence (outside of talk) on just how that is going to be achieved. With more variable weather/climate, the system is going to be more taxed just keeping up with heating/AC needs at home, much less vehicles.
We've also talked a lot on Car Chat about the future needs of the electric power-grid itself to recharge all these EVs (in addition to present and future needs), but precious little evidence (outside of talk) on just how that is going to be achieved. With more variable weather/climate, the system is going to be more taxed just keeping up with heating/AC needs at home, much less vehicles.
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We've also talked a lot on Car Chat about the future needs of the electric power-grid itself to recharge all these EVs (in addition to present and future needs), but precious little evidence (outside of talk) on just how that is going to be achieved. With more variable weather/climate, the system is going to be more taxed just keeping up with heating/AC needs at home, much less vehicles.
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Hydrogen internal combustion engines are already developed for large trucks, the engines are ready. The large truck makers have them behind the scenes. Toyota already has demonstrated that fuel cell technology is ready as well as their new Mirai is larger, drives father, is more powerful, uses a smaller fuel cell (so easier to manufacture)and is cheaper to manufacture than the previous model and most important is cheaper to buy....this is the complete opposite of battery electric models which need mass to gain range which means higher cost which ultimately means consumers have to pay more. Not everyone can charge at home, most will not sit at a charger and pick boogers (who said that?
) while their EV charges. Battery EVs makes sense for the luxury priced segment of cars....hydrogen fuel cells makes sense for cheaper models like Camry and hydrogen ICE models make sense for cheap cars like a Yaris or Corolla as well as large trucks.... Battery cars + hydrogen cars make total sense together for the 79 million cars worldwide that were sold last year...
This report is nonsense. While I think Hyundai gas cars are total trash..their fuel cells they already have are pretty decent. And their batteries electrics are a good effort. It is impossible for the entire industry to go all battery electric. IMPOSSIBLE
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This report is nonsense. While I think Hyundai gas cars are total trash..their fuel cells they already have are pretty decent. And their batteries electrics are a good effort. It is impossible for the entire industry to go all battery electric. IMPOSSIBLE
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it is amazing how hydrogen is a trigger word for you all on here. LOL. Hydrogen compliments battery electrics. Otherwise, gasoline will be never stop being the predominate fuel for cars and trucks
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Hydrogen combustion is even more costly than hydrogen fuel cell and neither of them address the non-existent infrastructure. Battery tech can improve. Hydrogen infrastructure? Good luck getting investors to buy into that.
Internal combustion is going to die, and companies like Toyota better adapt.
Internal combustion is going to die, and companies like Toyota better adapt.
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it is amazing how hydrogen is a trigger word for you all on here. LOL. Hydrogen compliments battery electrics. Otherwise, gasoline will be never stop being the predominate fuel for cars and trucks
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I wouldn't quite use that term, but, if you insist, then I'll say Toyota should put up. Hydrogen, IMO, makes more sense than pure BEV....but only if an adequate network of hydrogen-refill stations can be built and supplied. BEVs are just not feasible for a lot of people. For my own personal needs (although obviously not the case with everyone) an extended-range hybrid with a small gas engine for recharging would probably be best...but GM doesn't offer that option with the Encore GX. Hopefully, it will.
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it is amazing how hydrogen is a trigger word for you all on here. LOL. Hydrogen compliments battery electrics. Otherwise, gasoline will be never stop being the predominate fuel for cars and trucks
If the powers that be decide they can cash in on Hydrogen, they will start pushing it hard, much like they are currently doing with the EVs, and automakers will follow. Hydrogen infrastructure is far easier to build, as you can transport it in tanks much like they currently do with petrol, existing gas stations can be converted to hydrogen, you don't need to run it to every house, and if there is actually a breakthrough in hydrogen extracting tech, perhaps existing NG infrastructure could be used to supply hydrogen. Imagine burning hydrogen in your stove?
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Those still clamoring for hybrids also seem to believe that 6 and 8 cylinders will somehow still be kept alive in hybrid form, when in truth only 4 cylinder turbo hybrids have any feasibility of making it into the future. And I would much rather take an EV over a 4 cylinder.