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10-09-03, 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by GlobeCLK
Just how successful was the XJ220? I think it had some crazy top speed (200mph+) but that's about it. It made I think 550~600hp out of a 3.5 V6, which can be done with a heavily modded EJ20 or 4G63 (both 2.0 liter). and can EASILY be reached with both inline 6 turbo monsters.
300ZXTT and 3000GT VR4 looked great on paper. THe VR4 even had 6-speed, AWD, AWS, and active aero to go with the package. Since when was the VR4 successful?
I gotta say I like both the 300ZX and the VR4 but I'll take GTR or SupraTT over those ANYDAY.
Just how successful was the XJ220? I think it had some crazy top speed (200mph+) but that's about it. It made I think 550~600hp out of a 3.5 V6, which can be done with a heavily modded EJ20 or 4G63 (both 2.0 liter). and can EASILY be reached with both inline 6 turbo monsters.
300ZXTT and 3000GT VR4 looked great on paper. THe VR4 even had 6-speed, AWD, AWS, and active aero to go with the package. Since when was the VR4 successful?
I gotta say I like both the 300ZX and the VR4 but I'll take GTR or SupraTT over those ANYDAY.
10-09-03, 01:03 PM
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I guess someone's going to have to define successful....The VR-4s are not bad at all, i think they just got some bad press. You can launch those things at like 7000rpms and be making boost in no time...I think they're pretty fast. And V6s are more efficient I think. Otherwise why would Japan be switching from inlines to meet emmissions laws?
10-09-03, 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisFL
Well, like I said, due to new emissions laws in Japan, they cant make I6's like they did before, so what better option do they have? V8?
Well, like I said, due to new emissions laws in Japan, they cant make I6's like they did before, so what better option do they have? V8?
They can still make 4 cylinder turbos. But that's not enough to be flagship engines.
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I guess someone's going to have to define successful....The VR-4s are not bad at all, i think they just got some bad press. You can launch those things at like 7000rpms and be making boost in no time...I think they're pretty fast. And V6s are more efficient I think. Otherwise why would Japan be switching from inlines to meet emmissions laws?
I guess someone's going to have to define successful....The VR-4s are not bad at all, i think they just got some bad press. You can launch those things at like 7000rpms and be making boost in no time...I think they're pretty fast. And V6s are more efficient I think. Otherwise why would Japan be switching from inlines to meet emmissions laws?
10-09-03, 03:26 PM
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how can I6 not pass emission in japan? Link to proof?
40% of the cars in japan are running 1jz and 2jz
hope you know that the supra wasnt the only car in japan that had the I6 motor..
all i know is that the emission laws are not that strick as they are in california..
40% of the cars in japan are running 1jz and 2jz
hope you know that the supra wasnt the only car in japan that had the I6 motor..
all i know is that the emission laws are not that strick as they are in california..
10-09-03, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by NRG
how can I6 not pass emission in japan? Link to proof?
40% of the cars in japan are running 1jz and 2jz
hope you know that the supra wasnt the only car in japan that had the I6 motor..
all i know is that the emission laws are not that strick as they are in california..
how can I6 not pass emission in japan? Link to proof?
40% of the cars in japan are running 1jz and 2jz
hope you know that the supra wasnt the only car in japan that had the I6 motor..
all i know is that the emission laws are not that strick as they are in california..
10-09-03, 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisFL
Actually, I've heard that Japanese emissions laws are tougher, but they have much different things they look for when doing emissions. BTW, most articles I've read about the upcoming GT-R talk about why they don't use the RB26, and the emissions issue
Actually, I've heard that Japanese emissions laws are tougher, but they have much different things they look for when doing emissions. BTW, most articles I've read about the upcoming GT-R talk about why they don't use the RB26, and the emissions issue
It's like when American domestic cars had all those muscle monsters. Today they have the Focus and Malibu.
10-16-03, 07:54 AM
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There's an article in the latest SuperStreet or Modified Mag (I think) that talks about "crazy" engine swaps. In Japan, they did a VQ35 swap into a Skyline taking out the RB26DETT. They still TT'd the VQ35 and it made some sick gob of power.
I think part of the "problem" with V-6 vs I6 turbos is fitament issues too. When you have the manifold on one side and have more room to work with, things fit better and don't tend to malfunction as often. Then again, Japan has been shoe horning big engines w/turbos into little cars for eons now.
I think part of the "problem" with V-6 vs I6 turbos is fitament issues too. When you have the manifold on one side and have more room to work with, things fit better and don't tend to malfunction as often. Then again, Japan has been shoe horning big engines w/turbos into little cars for eons now.
10-21-03, 01:11 PM
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My choice would be the Skylines. R32, R33, R34 Vspec II, Nismo GT-R or R35.
Now don't get me wrong the Supra is a nice car, but since we could always get that car, it's been done to many times over.
Now don't get me wrong the Supra is a nice car, but since we could always get that car, it's been done to many times over.
10-23-03, 09:09 AM
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... just out of curiosity, I know Japan has "the gentlemen's act" where manufacturers cannot build cars more than 280ps. How is a 450 twin turbo V6 even possible in the confines of Japanese emissions? I don't see how 3.5 yielding 450 qualies for LEV. The only way Nissan's going to produce some car like this is that the car has to be "exotic" and w/ a sticker of at least $90,000 where 25% goes to the government. Nissan went under once and the company is controlled by the Dutch (I think).
10-23-03, 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by v300
... just out of curiosity, I know Japan has "the gentlemen's act" where manufacturers cannot build cars more than 280ps. How is a 450 twin turbo V6 even possible in the confines of Japanese emissions? I don't see how 3.5 yielding 450 qualies for LEV. The only way Nissan's going to produce some car like this is that the car has to be "exotic" and w/ a sticker of at least $90,000 where 25% goes to the government. Nissan went under once and the company is controlled by the Dutch (I think).
... just out of curiosity, I know Japan has "the gentlemen's act" where manufacturers cannot build cars more than 280ps. How is a 450 twin turbo V6 even possible in the confines of Japanese emissions? I don't see how 3.5 yielding 450 qualies for LEV. The only way Nissan's going to produce some car like this is that the car has to be "exotic" and w/ a sticker of at least $90,000 where 25% goes to the government. Nissan went under once and the company is controlled by the Dutch (I think).
Or they can just drop off their 450hp VQ35DETT V35 GTRs at Nismo for some cosmetics and tuning. Since it's not from the factory those cars are not under the gentlemen's agreement.
10-23-03, 04:32 PM
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Does the gentlemans law still apply? Cuz the Q/FX45 as well as all the newer 1uz and 3uz-fe powered Toyota/Lexus kinda ignored that. Also, Lexus's new GT car rumored to have 500hp??? I hope they throw the agreement out the window and do what the crazy germans are doing :-D