You don’t say…..

look what Hyundai is gonna do.

 

Well I have a Swiss on my arm right now so....

 

Okay now that's just stupid. Like why? It's one thing in a high end ICE flagship where it hits a intentional tone in the 5k+ rpm ranges but what's the point here? It's going to feel and drive the same as any other ev

 

Isn't that the point Striker is making? Most buyers aren't looking for soul...just a better appliance. EVs can be fantastic appliances. Some EVs even have soul (well, to me but may not to you).

 

then you don't understand the average consumer for whom your kind of fast is irrelevant. they will appreciate the quiet and smooth and linear feel of any EV.

those last 2 statements are quite different. 'effortless putting forth power' is different than 'rocket from a start with endless power'... average consumers will like the first, but don't care about the second.

i've only driven a basic tesla model 3 so it wasn't 'rocket' fast. obviously smooth, pretty quiet, etc. as i've said a number of times, i was struck by how normal it felt, except for the stupid single center screen and the odd way to unlock/enter the vehicle and putting some card in a specific spot on the center console. maybe that's a hertz thing i don't know, but besides those things, it felt like driving a big golf cart.

 

From my POV. It is because people actually do not want “silent” as that equates to “boring” and “dull”. That can very had to sell on the test drive. There definitely was a time when silent and smooth was considered as defacto quality... But last decade or so things have changed. Sport and experience are the “in” thing now. The vast majority of regular buyers want to hear the engine in some manner. You are a big MB fan, just rev a AMG and what do you hear out the rear? That is an extra cost option as the cheaper MBs are quieter.….same with Lexus now, their marketing talks about natural sound being pumped into the LC500 cabin where in past it was all about champagne glasses and how even the “nuances” have nuances..in the past, the having a more quieter car was an extra cost option in the sense you paid for a V6 over a I4 or a V8 over a V6...now TRD exhausts that liven up the experience are at the top price points.

 

Yeah that is my point, EVs would be killer for just getting around

 

Supposedly Dodge is creating a special sound for their upcoming E-musclecar. I guess that falls along the same sort of lines as what Hyundai may do.

 

I think you still need a decent amount of power to deliver that effortless acceleration. Case in point, the ID4 RWD hasn't been reviewed that well because many thought it was too weak. The AWD version though has been reviewed very well and its only a mid 5s car. The BZ4x is supposed to be a mid 7s car (similar to the ID.4 RWD) so I don't have any expectations on the drivetrain impressing anyone. In fact, the Rav 4 prime would probably feel much faster and be cheaper...then why would a consumer even choose the BZ4x coming from a traditional ICE? Lets see how its reviewed but my guess is that it won't class leading in anything as the specs seem pretty mediocre.

 

I'd like an EV just to drive to work etc and an ICE car for fun. The idea you don't need to do regular maintenance is attractive for most people including me, a person who will be ordering a G80 M3 Competition in the next year.

 

most people have never experienced sub 6 second 0-60 as a driver, even if whatever they're driving is capable of it. they cruise on a highway, sit in traffic, wait at lights, drive in parking lots, etc.

an ev, even a relatively slow one, will feel great on an up hill highway entrance ramp though - just a silent continuous shove to get up to speed.

 

Anger and rage with a hell of a lot of left off crackle that makes you shout when you let of at 150.....least that's what the 6.3s sound like for me when I drive them.

Still and EV will never be an instrument or have any appeal to one of the major senes so why even bother?

 

Yeah, I guess you're right....and maybe, just maybe a car like the Porsche Taycan has a little soul.

 

A mid 7s EV doesn't feel that great. Been in plenty of Leafs, iX3s, and Volts prior to my Tesla and was never impressed. We'll just agree to disagree with this.

 

That's absolutely true. My wife's Ioniq EV is very low powerwise (138 HP), but the smooth driving experience is what makes it so great