AMIRZA786

I still prefer their 3.5L NA, but I could definitely live with a 2.5T with the hybrid drivetrain. I had a 1999 Camry CE with the 2.2L, it's a solid engine. I sold the car to a family friend in 2003, and he's still driving it today with over 200K on it

Striker223

Imagine the 2.4 Camry engine from the gen after that with +100 TQ and 80 more HP.....it would be quite nice even in a van due to the turbo

TriC

My last minivan before the present Pacifica hybrid was a '16 Toyota Sienna with the 3.5, a vehicle and drivetrain that I liked quite well.

When shopping at this time last year it was easy to rule out the new Sienna due to the weak powertrain, non-removeable second row seats, and cut-rate interior. It's seemed like Toyota simply decided to build a second-rate vehicle.

Toys4RJill

‘Don’t forget it has available awd. I think the new Sienna is a very stylish crossover (ummm van) lol. Great looking interior as well.

SW17LS

Remember how I said the Prius was a terrible car? When I drove the Sienna...its a giant Prius.

Toys4RJill

I don’t remember.

xjokerz

You guys are missing the point of buying a hybrid. Rag on the power all you want but to the average consumer it'll be just fine. I'm sure they'll take the 36 mpg over what little power deficit it has.

You guys also have crazy fast vehicles with 4 second 0-60 times. Your assessment of the van is distorted.

Toys4RJill

Oh I understand the point of the hybrid for this application. It’s a van. The fuel economy is off the charts. Driving experience is not that great. But it’s a van. If you put a V6 in there with no EV guts, you get BAD MPG.

xjokerz

Yeah, exactly. And you don't have to worry about the engine blowing like you would with the Kia. Lol

stlgrym3

iTrader: (4)

We test drove the new Sienna last summer, i agree acceleration sucked especially going uphill, and you can definitely hear the motor stressing out. it still sells like hotcakes because it's a Sienna, the brand name sells itself. wish Toyota gives us an option for a 3.5 V6 version of this.

SW17LS

FWIW, I have owned 3 minivans. So...I'm a van consumer.

Its not about having a "crazy fast" vehicle, its about having a vehicle that is enjoyable to drive and has enough power to drive confidently loaded up with people and cargo. The Sienna is not such a vehicle with that powertrain. The droning engine makes it tiring to drive and at speed it doesnt have enough power to drive confidently on the highway or in the mountains with a full load. I post on the Pacifica forum and there are LOTS of people there who did not buy the Sienna only because of this powertrain. I am also one of these customers. I would LOVE to buy the Sienna over the Pacifica...but that powertrain makes that impossible for me.

And...weren't you just ragging on the Prius in another thread for having all the same characteristics you're defending in the Sienna?

AMIRZA786

Exactly. My 2013 Sienna is not crazy fast, doesn't do 0-60 in 4 seconds, nor does it drive anything like a sports car, but it has a powerful enough V6 where it's pleasant to drive on long trips, has smooth acceleration and power, and when you load it up with people it doesn't bog down. And it holds it's speed on hilly or mountain roads without sounding buzzy. The new Sienna is just not for me

Striker223

Issue is my 3.2 sec A8 gets me 31-34 average.....if I'm not being an ***. If I am I still get 22-26

There are plenty of cars that give 36 average that don't suck to drive, that's our issue with this. It is made worse by the fact the older vans are just a better experience/are able to get out of their own way.

Toys4RJill

Technically the new Sienna is a giant Highlander…or Venza…Or RAV …or NX. The motor and EV parts are not used in a Prius.

joedaddy1

iTrader: (1)

darn... I need to buy a minivan in a month or two, and Sienna is my top pick due to MPG.
Haven't driven or test driven a minivan in over 15 years.. just need it for my growing family.

Gas has gotten so expensive where i would be willing to give up 5mpg for v6 power, but not 10mpg.
Also, i need a hybrid/plug-in minivan due to extensive idling i plan to do when kids are asleep upon home arrival. I rather not move them if they have less than a hour left on their sleep cycle.