2022 Toyota Sienna Hybrid XSE....sigh
#46
Toyota either doesn't have the production capacity to make plug-ins or they are purposely not doing it to avoid Osborne effecting their gas only lineup.
#47
actually, it should be doing a lot, because otherwise that engine does not have a lot of power... It also has nothing to do with battery size, that pack is huge for a hybrid.
You can check Rav4 hybrid vs regular, biggest difference is actually things like 50-70 mph acceleration.
You can check Rav4 hybrid vs regular, biggest difference is actually things like 50-70 mph acceleration.
That means that in the impossible scenario of perfect efficiency it will give you nearly nothing with the 180hp front motor and 54hp rear motor. The demand of both motors in full bore can peak as high as 234hp per hour demand from a pack that holds 2.54 hours worth of power at 1hp.....that's .65 minutes of full power at peak usage and if we assume the motors drop off like any motor does then even at 1/4 peak load it is only .043 hours or 2.6 minutes of operation.
In the best case scenario when the motors are operating at 1/4 their maximum draw, they still only have less than three minutes of power. That's a real issue. You will hit that limitation if you are going up any sort of grade for any length of time leaving you with the gas engine as the only support. To say nothing of the fact the motors become progressively more useless and less efficient as speed climbs....
Meanwhile a V6 can run at redline until it's out of gas if cooling was sized correctly.
Last edited by Striker223; 04-28-22 at 10:05 AM.
#48
This is a situation where the performance numbers dont tell the story. Post 50-70 passing times when fully laden and the Sienna will be WAY slower.
#49
I have a Sienna reserved for my annual running relay this summer. We'll be loaded up with 6 passengers, a cooler, bags of food, and 6 overnight bags. We'll undoubtedly be pushing the payload limits of it. I will report back.
#50
My brother in law is thinking of buying one to replace his 2012 Odyssey with 200K on it. He found one dealership that selling only $8K above MSPR...all the others were $10K to $15K over, so it is in demand. I think his biggest concerns are having 7 seats and good gas mileage, so he's willing to take the power compromise, I am not. When we go on vacation and travel to places like SoCal, you really need the power to pass slower cars and trucks, and for you Californians here who know what I'm talking about, try driving Hwy 152 through Pacheco Pass or the Grapevines loaded with passengers and luggage in an underpowered minivan. Not fun at all
#53
I advised him to pass. If you were to visit those dealerships, I'm pretty sure you would be giving pricing above MSRP
#54
#55
Past 60 there is no comparison. Past 100 it's laughable
#58
Will be getting an evaluation Sienna in a few weeks. can't wait to put it through its paces. But they are super popular, sales more than doubled from 2020 to 2021. And over 2019 (a more normal year) the new gen was still up like 50%. The sheeple have spoken. hybrid mpg far outweighs any rough powertrain concerns for many minivan shoppers.
#59
Will be getting an evaluation Sienna in a few weeks. can't wait to put it through its paces. But they are super popular, sales more than doubled from 2020 to 2021. And over 2019 (a more normal year) the new gen was still up like 50%. The sheeple have spoken. hybrid mpg far outweighs any rough powertrain concerns for many minivan shoppers.
#60
I wouldn't draw that conclusion. The Sienna was ancient, and there were lots of Toyota fans waiting for a new van while competitors redesigned their offerings multiple times. Lots of Toyota buyers are brand blinded, and they just always buy Toyotas without ever considering the competition. You would need to see evidence that Toyota was able to take buyers from Chrysler and Honda to draw that conclusion.