LeX2K

Toyota either doesn't have the production capacity to make plug-ins or they are purposely not doing it to avoid Osborne effecting their gas only lineup.

Striker223

1.9 KWH......let's do some math. 1 KW=1.341 HP, that's 2.54 HPH in the pack.....meaning it can support the work load equal to 2.5HP for one hour assuming the pack and all related wires, controllers, regulators and motors are 100% efficient with absolutely no losses from resistance for thermal constants.

That means that in the impossible scenario of perfect efficiency it will give you nearly nothing with the 180hp front motor and 54hp rear motor. The demand of both motors in full bore can peak as high as 234hp per hour demand from a pack that holds 2.54 hours worth of power at 1hp.....that's .65 minutes of full power at peak usage and if we assume the motors drop off like any motor does then even at 1/4 peak load it is only .043 hours or 2.6 minutes of operation.

In the best case scenario when the motors are operating at 1/4 their maximum draw, they still only have less than three minutes of power. That's a real issue. You will hit that limitation if you are going up any sort of grade for any length of time leaving you with the gas engine as the only support. To say nothing of the fact the motors become progressively more useless and less efficient as speed climbs....

Meanwhile a V6 can run at redline until it's out of gas if cooling was sized correctly.

SW17LS

Thats exactly right

This is a situation where the performance numbers dont tell the story. Post 50-70 passing times when fully laden and the Sienna will be WAY slower.

JDR76

I have a Sienna reserved for my annual running relay this summer. We'll be loaded up with 6 passengers, a cooler, bags of food, and 6 overnight bags. We'll undoubtedly be pushing the payload limits of it. I will report back.

AMIRZA786

My brother in law is thinking of buying one to replace his 2012 Odyssey with 200K on it. He found one dealership that selling only $8K above MSPR...all the others were $10K to $15K over, so it is in demand. I think his biggest concerns are having 7 seats and good gas mileage, so he's willing to take the power compromise, I am not. When we go on vacation and travel to places like SoCal, you really need the power to pass slower cars and trucks, and for you Californians here who know what I'm talking about, try driving Hwy 152 through Pacheco Pass or the Grapevines loaded with passengers and luggage in an underpowered minivan. Not fun at all

SW17LS

$8k over MSRP lol. Pass.

JDR76

I don't know if I'd be willing to pay $8k over MSRP on anything. I just checked and in a 75 mile radius of me, there are only 5 Sienna's available, though they are all listed at MSRP thankfully.

AMIRZA786

I advised him to pass. If you were to visit those dealerships, I'm pretty sure you would be giving pricing above MSRP

SW17LS

Yeah, no way. I'll keep what I've got.

Striker223

Exactly. It's like saying a Honda Accord 2.0 or Kia N line whatever is as fast as my 460 since the 0-60 on paper is the same.

Past 60 there is no comparison. Past 100 it's laughable

bitkahuna

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following up on the prius video our host is trying out a sienna that toyota loaned her!

SW17LS

Big upgrade lol

pbm317

Will be getting an evaluation Sienna in a few weeks. can't wait to put it through its paces. But they are super popular, sales more than doubled from 2020 to 2021. And over 2019 (a more normal year) the new gen was still up like 50%. The sheeple have spoken. hybrid mpg far outweighs any rough powertrain concerns for many minivan shoppers.

SW17LS

I wouldn't draw that conclusion. The Sienna was ancient, and there were lots of Toyota fans waiting for a new van while competitors redesigned their offerings multiple times. Lots of Toyota buyers are brand blinded, and they just always buy Toyotas without ever considering the competition. You would need to see evidence that Toyota was able to take buyers from Chrysler and Honda to draw that conclusion.

Toys4RJill

Lol. The Sienna is a hit because it does so well on gas. Also has awd.. Accept it.