2022 Toyota Sienna Hybrid XSE....sigh
04-28-22, 06:30 PM
#61
Lexus Fanatic
The Pacifica is also AWD, and if minivan buyers cared overwhelmingly about fuel economy you would find the hybrid Pacifica outselling the gas version, and thats nowhere near true.
04-28-22, 06:39 PM
#62
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Not for me either, and this coming from a guy who used to drive a 1959 VW Microbus with 36hp! I'll bet enough soccer moms will be fine with it, as most people don't use the HP capabilities of the vehicles anyway. However, for broader appeal, Toyota will definitely need to pump up the HP, likely with greater battery assist.
04-28-22, 07:25 PM
#63
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Not for me either, and this coming from a guy who used to drive a 1959 VW Microbus with 36hp! I'll bet enough soccer moms will be fine with it, as most people don't use the HP capabilities of the vehicles anyway. However, for broader appeal, Toyota will definitely need to pump up the HP, likely with greater battery assist.
04-28-22, 08:36 PM
#64
Lexus Fanatic
The better engine just makes the car better, whether you drive it hard or not.
04-29-22, 11:28 AM
#65
1.9 KWH......let's do some math. 1 KW=1.341 HP, that's 2.54 HPH in the pack.....meaning it can support the work load equal to 2.5HP for one hour assuming the pack and all related wires, controllers, regulators and motors are 100% efficient with absolutely no losses from resistance for thermal constants.
That means that in the impossible scenario of perfect efficiency it will give you nearly nothing with the 180hp front motor and 54hp rear motor. The demand of both motors in full bore can peak as high as 234hp per hour demand from a pack that holds 2.54 hours worth of power at 1hp.....that's .65 minutes of full power at peak usage and if we assume the motors drop off like any motor does then even at 1/4 peak load it is only .043 hours or 2.6 minutes of operation.
In the best case scenario when the motors are operating at 1/4 their maximum draw, they still only have less than three minutes of power. That's a real issue. You will hit that limitation if you are going up any sort of grade for any length of time leaving you with the gas engine as the only support. To say nothing of the fact the motors become progressively more useless and less efficient as speed climbs....
Meanwhile a V6 can run at redline until it's out of gas if cooling was sized correctly.
That means that in the impossible scenario of perfect efficiency it will give you nearly nothing with the 180hp front motor and 54hp rear motor. The demand of both motors in full bore can peak as high as 234hp per hour demand from a pack that holds 2.54 hours worth of power at 1hp.....that's .65 minutes of full power at peak usage and if we assume the motors drop off like any motor does then even at 1/4 peak load it is only .043 hours or 2.6 minutes of operation.
In the best case scenario when the motors are operating at 1/4 their maximum draw, they still only have less than three minutes of power. That's a real issue. You will hit that limitation if you are going up any sort of grade for any length of time leaving you with the gas engine as the only support. To say nothing of the fact the motors become progressively more useless and less efficient as speed climbs....
Meanwhile a V6 can run at redline until it's out of gas if cooling was sized correctly.
Hybrids have been around for decades now. Sienna has 2.5x bigger battery pack than last years hybrids.
It is going to be fine. It is fuel efficient and sluggish large vehicle.
04-29-22, 12:45 PM
#66
Lexus Champion
I'm talking about driving up a 3% grade on a road trip. Or 80mph cruising.
04-29-22, 02:04 PM
#67
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04-29-22, 06:14 PM
#68
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Would take the current Sienna over the competition if I had to get a minivan. Next generation Odyssey should be even better.
Too much fire risks with the Pacifica Hybrid and Carnival. Not worth it.
Too much fire risks with the Pacifica Hybrid and Carnival. Not worth it.
04-29-22, 06:47 PM
#69
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I really don't know that I agree with that. You have a lot of people who buy the Sienna because its the Sienna and don't specifically buy it for its fuel economy. If it was just the V6, I bet that sales would be right where they are. For instance if the Sienna was available exactly as it is with the 3.5 V6, I would have one.
The Pacifica is also AWD, and if minivan buyers cared overwhelmingly about fuel economy you would find the hybrid Pacifica outselling the gas version, and thats nowhere near true.
The Pacifica is also AWD, and if minivan buyers cared overwhelmingly about fuel economy you would find the hybrid Pacifica outselling the gas version, and thats nowhere near true.
Doesn't look like the new Sienna is doing all that well especially against a really old Odyssey.
04-30-22, 04:35 AM
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We test drove the new Sienna last summer, i agree acceleration sucked especially going uphill, and you can definitely hear the motor stressing out. it still sells like hotcakes because it's a Sienna, the brand name sells itself. wish Toyota gives us an option for a 3.5 V6 version of this.
04-30-22, 07:13 AM
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04-30-22, 08:06 AM
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04-30-22, 09:52 AM
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04-30-22, 10:08 AM
#74
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. I'm keeping my Odyssey forever...best beater car ever.
04-30-22, 10:51 AM
#75
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That website had errors on Toyota but not the Honda numbers. It seems the hybrid Sienna may be the right strategy given the data. I do see far less new minivans in my neighborhood though. Most of them are being replaced by the Model Y here . I'm keeping my Odyssey forever...best beater car ever.
. I'm keeping my Odyssey forever...best beater car ever.