All-New 2023 Lexus RX Debuts with 500h F Sport Performance Goodness
06-02-22, 08:25 AM
#226
Lexus Fanatic
The wait and demand for the LX600 is absolutely crazy. That's plenty high end, $100k vehicle even if people don't think it's competitive with an X7 bc it's a Land Cruiser blah blah. LC coupe and convertible are stunning.
Lexus may not be what it once was I do agree with you there, but to lump them in with Acura and Lincoln? That's a little extreme. IMO Lexus is a half a step behind MB, BMW.
Lexus may not be what it once was I do agree with you there, but to lump them in with Acura and Lincoln? That's a little extreme. IMO Lexus is a half a step behind MB, BMW.
Remember, Acura has the NSX...or had the NSX. Lincoln sells every $100,000 Navigator they can make. Lexus has a couple cars, but that compared to full lineups of high end cars is just no comparison, that amounts to FAR more than a half-step. Cadillac as an example has a WAY higher end lineup than Lexus.
The shape is similar in that it looks like an RX, but I would never confuse the new generation with the old generation. The 3/4 window is meant to look similar because they are making that an RX styling feature that endures from generation to generation.
06-02-22, 08:46 AM
#227
Lol, agreed the wait for the LX600 is purely a function of capacity. I would be interested to know what % capacity the factory is at for the Land Cruiser and LX.
LX is not worth a 2+ year wait. IMO.
LX is not worth a 2+ year wait. IMO.
06-02-22, 09:30 AM
#228
Lexus Fanatic
Because they are the established benchmark by which luxury is measured. Like it or not, this is how these things work.
Interesting hybrids…whoopie. They can make all the interesting hybrids they want but if they aren’t making well made high end luxury cars, they aren’t really a luxury carmaker. They aren’t really trying to be that anymore and for us consumers who want them to be that, it’s a shame.
Interesting hybrids…whoopie. They can make all the interesting hybrids they want but if they aren’t making well made high end luxury cars, they aren’t really a luxury carmaker. They aren’t really trying to be that anymore and for us consumers who want them to be that, it’s a shame.
06-02-22, 09:46 AM
#229
Lexus Fanatic
2GS is a great example of that. 1, 2, 3 & 4 LS also
Bringing it back to this new RX, they're making it as good as it can be given what it is which is admirable, but its just not going to move the segment anywhere.
Last edited by SW17LS; 06-02-22 at 09:49 AM.
06-02-22, 09:52 AM
#230
Lexus Fanatic
Genesis today suffers from the same problem
06-02-22, 09:55 AM
#231
Lexus Fanatic
They never really charged the same prices. They were always a bargain. With dull styling. Take out the price point factor that they were “cheaper” and you have a sub tier brand. 2GS is like a one off…and was still not as good as BMW 5 series. Just look at how long it took for them to offer a turbo experience
Genesis today suffers from the same problem
Genesis today suffers from the same problem
Genesis at least is in the game
06-02-22, 10:00 AM
#232
Lexus Fanatic
They have always been a value, but that doesn't mean that they didn't compete. The 2GS when it came out for a time was the fastest production sedan in the world. It was a huge seismic release in the industry. Certainly the LS400 had a profound impact on the industry. Its hard to imagine Lexus today releasing anything that would have that kind of impact...
Genesis at least is in the game
Genesis at least is in the game
And what Mercedes or BMW or Audi since 1990 has had any impact? NONE
06-02-22, 10:02 AM
#233
Lexus Fanatic
But, there have been a lot of advancements that those carmakers have brought to the market in that time, theres actually a huge list.
06-02-22, 10:05 AM
#234
Lexus Fanatic
06-02-22, 10:10 AM
#235
Lexus Fanatic
But so has Lexus. But you just don’t agree because it’s tech that doesn’t really interest you. Lexus and their hybrid tech is what they are currently know about. As well as their plug ins. And you’ll see them shift their talking to battery EVs for the next little while. LS, LC and even LX are dead segments…. It’s all about crossovers now….I do ink they could at least have a rwd crossover. GS would have no impact on the Lexus brand hence why it was canned
Just look at the W223 S Class. That is chock full of new innovations and technology that will trickle down through the industry. Lexus doesn't have any of that.
And your point about it being all about crossovers...it is...but Lexus isn't developing any high end crossovers, they are just letting the Germans and even the Americans have those leading segments entirely. Thats my whole point.
The GS being canned wouldn't be that big a deal if there was a great GA-L TTV6 RWD crossover that competed with the X5/X7 and GLE/GLS. But there isn't nor is there any chatter about one. They've just decided not to compete, which means they aren't even striving to be in the same arena as the Germans any longer.
06-02-22, 10:22 AM
#236
Lexus Test Driver
They have always been a value, but that doesn't mean that they didn't compete. The 2GS when it came out for a time was the fastest production sedan in the world. It was a huge seismic release in the industry. Certainly the LS400 had a profound impact on the industry. Its hard to imagine Lexus today releasing anything that would have that kind of impact...
Genesis at least is in the game
Genesis at least is in the game
i believe, shift buttons on steering wheel. Also the tech was MUCH more advanced from NAV system, Audio, Optitron gauges, HID lights…..It was just an incredible product! Even the available colors were more expressive than anything Lexus currently offers.
Perfection
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06-02-22, 10:44 AM
#237
Lead Lap
-BMW influencing cabin design for well over a decade with their iDrive system
-Mercedes introducing the four door coupe design with the CLS (mimicked at all levels even today)
-Audi bringing in the big grille styling element and LED DRLs, a trend that lives on today
-2004 E55 AMG starting the sedan horsepower wars
06-02-22, 10:53 AM
#238
Lexus Fanatic
Outside of the gigantic list of tech advancements they've had, here's a few:
-BMW influencing cabin design for well over a decade with their iDrive system
-Mercedes introducing the four door coupe design with the CLS (mimicked at all levels even today)
-Audi bringing in the big grille styling element and LED DRLs, a trend that lives on today
-2004 E55 AMG starting the sedan horsepower wars
-BMW influencing cabin design for well over a decade with their iDrive system
-Mercedes introducing the four door coupe design with the CLS (mimicked at all levels even today)
-Audi bringing in the big grille styling element and LED DRLs, a trend that lives on today
-2004 E55 AMG starting the sedan horsepower wars
06-02-22, 10:55 AM
#239
Think Rolls, Bugatti, Aston, Bentley, Lamborghini, McLaren. All non German brands, even if some have German ownership.
06-02-22, 10:56 AM
#240
Lexus Fanatic
Thats not what we're talking about. We're talking about the world of attainable luxury cars, where the Germans dominate.