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Old 09-02-24, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Photon440
A frame shouldn't rule out being a crossover. The Jeep Wagoneer is regarded as a cross over, and it has a full frame, and had one when it was introduced back in 1963.
That is not right. Both the original and current Wagoneers are classified as SUVs, not crossovers. The original SJ, initially released in 1963, is widely regarded as the originator of the “Luxury SUV” segment, much like how the Lexus RX kicked off the “Luxury Crossover” segment when it was introduced 35 years later.

SUV=truck-based, full frame, almost always body-on-frame*
Crossover=car-based, unibody, no traditional ladder frame

The term “Crossover” was literally invented to describe tall car-based vehicles that resemble SUVs but aren’t.

*The XJ Jeep Cherokee is not a crossover despite being unibody. This is because it has a full ladder frame integrated into the unibody—a very unique design at the time—therefore making it an SUV.

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Old 09-02-24, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
That is not right. Both the original and current Wagoneers are classified as SUVs, not crossovers.

SUV=truck-based, full frame, almost always body-on-frame*
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The term “Crossover” was literally invented to describe tall car-based vehicles that resemble SUVs but aren’t.
I think we need a new thread on this.
I'm trying to remember the early crossovers.
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I think we need a new thread on this.
I'm trying to remember the early crossovers.
AMC Eagle was apparently the first "crossover" even though the term didn't exist then. Such cool cars.

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The AMC Eagles were the only four-wheel drive passenger cars produced in the United States at the time.[4] All models featured "passenger-car comfort, plus 4WD security for all-weather security."[5] Marketing materials of the time refer to the Eagle as a "vehicle," "automobile," "car," or “sport machine.”[6] Although the description was not in use at the time, the AMC Eagle is widely recognized as the first crossover vehicle.[7][8][9]

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Originally Posted by Photon440
A frame shouldn't rule out being a crossover. The Jeep Wagoneer is regarded as a cross over, and it has a full frame, and had one when it was introduced back in 1963.
Regarded by who? People who enjoy being wrong?
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Most people use the term SUV and crossover interchangably. It can get quite confusing trying to differentiate the two. Example, Nissan Pathfinder if I remember correctly has been both body on frame and unibody. So is it a crossover or SUV? Depends on the year?
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Originally Posted by PGA71
Where are all the SUV's?
took this pic the other day...


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Originally Posted by geko29
*The XJ Jeep Cherokee is not a crossover despite being unibody. This is because it has a full ladder frame integrated into the unibody—a very unique design at the time—therefore making it an SUV.

That type of design is still quite unusual today. The Honda Ridgeline is the only vehicle I know of that uses it.
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saw the other day...



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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
saw the other day...


I saw one of those in black or dark grey a few years back. Oh to have that kind of money to burn(not that I'd burn it on one of those lol).
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
saw the other day...


I don't know but I like it.
I'm too old for "toys" like this but someone is having fun with it
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Originally Posted by LH1
AMC Eagle was apparently the first "crossover" even though the term didn't exist then. Such cool cars.

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I saw one of these over the weekend. Still hideous.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I saw one of these over the weekend. Still awesome.
I know this is what you really meant.
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Originally Posted by LH1
I know this is what you really meant.
Oh yeah, haha
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Like it or not, the Eagle was some 15 years ahead of its time. Its pioneering efforts in 1980/81 bore fruit when the 1995 Outback debuted and became the first true mass-selling vehicle of this type. Some Audi Quattro wagons, of course, had sold in the American market before that, but not in Outback numbers.
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
I saw one of those in black or dark grey a few years back. Oh to have that kind of money to burn(not that I'd burn it on one of those lol).
look how they had the back end configured lol


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