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#3646
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LOL. Welcome to used Mercedes ownership.
Turns out I need motor mounts which doesn’t surprise me. They’re rubber and deteriorate, and I’ve been driving the car pretty aggressively so I probably caused this.
All this is to the tune of $1600 plus tax, at least at the dealer. Holy Moly.
Waiting on an Indy estimate, bet they can do it for a grand or less. This Indy place the owner or his son drives a 1995 SL500 so they know these cars well.
Turns out I need motor mounts which doesn’t surprise me. They’re rubber and deteriorate, and I’ve been driving the car pretty aggressively so I probably caused this.
All this is to the tune of $1600 plus tax, at least at the dealer. Holy Moly.
Waiting on an Indy estimate, bet they can do it for a grand or less. This Indy place the owner or his son drives a 1995 SL500 so they know these cars well.
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#3647
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That’s good to know. Yep, original. Transmission mount looks new they said.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
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#3648
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That’s good to know. Yep, original. Transmission mount looks new they said.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
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Jack up the engine/trans as a unit from the bottom of the bellhousing once you break the mounts loose and change them out from below. Even so that dealer price is mercifully low, cost for my LS460 was $2500, the 4.0 costs $1000 just for parts for EACH front mount and there are also 3 trans mounts, and the W12 is $300 for each of it's 4 mounts for parts and Audi wants around 3k to replace them lol!
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#3649
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People want to hear V8s in these I think. Escalades and Denalis have very aggressive intake and exhaust notes from the factory. I'd much rather hear a V8 that lets engine noise in than a silent 6. I've never heard a Hemi personally up close but those are supposed to be the best sounding American V8s according to some, I'm familiar with a GM V8 roar which is just about perfect so it must be good lol.
Plus, shoving 510hp into 3.0 liters in a Chrysler, this motor will be a DISASTER reliability wise. That is a crazy stressed engine just from the start as opposed to a V8 that just loafs along relying on the actual pistons for power, not turbo boost.
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#3650
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So just for the record you're saying there's no noticeable difference?
People want to hear V8s in these I think. Escalades and Denalis have very aggressive intake and exhaust notes from the factory. I'd much rather hear a V8 that lets engine noise in than a silent 6. I've never heard a Hemi personally up close but those are supposed to be the best sounding American V8s according to some, I'm familiar with a GM V8 roar which is just about perfect so it must be good lol.
Plus, shoving 510hp into 3.0 liters in a Chrysler, this motor will be a DISASTER reliability wise. That is a crazy stressed engine just from the start as opposed to a V8 that just loafs along relying on the actual pistons for power, not turbo boost.
People want to hear V8s in these I think. Escalades and Denalis have very aggressive intake and exhaust notes from the factory. I'd much rather hear a V8 that lets engine noise in than a silent 6. I've never heard a Hemi personally up close but those are supposed to be the best sounding American V8s according to some, I'm familiar with a GM V8 roar which is just about perfect so it must be good lol.
Plus, shoving 510hp into 3.0 liters in a Chrysler, this motor will be a DISASTER reliability wise. That is a crazy stressed engine just from the start as opposed to a V8 that just loafs along relying on the actual pistons for power, not turbo boost.
510 out of 3.0 is not unreasonable, you are seeing 850 out of 4.0s and similar out of 3.0s in 10 year old German engines these days as a given so I have no reason to doubt the 3.0 is going to have issues unless Chrysler did something stupid.
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saw this Mint condition Chevrolet today. It was very admirable to see how basic it really was.
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#3652
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That’s good to know. Yep, original. Transmission mount looks new they said.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
I don’t consider this a mechanical problem, motor mounts are a wear item when you’re dealing with old cars.
And I’m now about 99% sure my driving was the straw that caused it lol. It’s Impossible to not wind out the motor and I don’t recall this when I bought it, and I checked.
or if you're waiting to pull out of a street and merge, manually pull the gear stick back into 2nd so it's already in the right gear when you want the power... then once you're fully underway pop it back into D so it'll upshift like normal
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#3653
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The Hemi has an extremely distinct roaring noise no other V8 has due to the head design, you can hear them a mile off and know exactly what it is. At races a 440 and 426 sound nothing alike even on the same car with similar exhaust setup. It's more of a shouty type sound vs a rumbling tone.......the GM sound is the most generic/characterless/bland tone of all the V8s so if you like that you will really like the Hemi or a Lexus/Toyota UR engine that has an intake/exhaust since those sound musical IMO.
BTW V8 sound is subjective. Hearing you call a Chevy V8 bland sounding is crazy to me. I don't think any V8 is bland sounding. Out of all my V8s the LS430s sounds the best, ripping silk. The Toyota 5.7 has a very distinct rumble that I love when you lay into it and haven't quite heard in a V8 before. The Mercedes just roars and sounds American which I love.
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#3654
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What stock mainstream engines have 850 horsepower??? My point just was why ditch the V8, absolutely no reason. Real world fuel economy will be pretty much the same as Tango confirmed up there.
BTW V8 sound is subjective. Hearing you call a Chevy V8 bland sounding is crazy to me. I don't think any V8 is bland sounding. Out of all my V8s the LS430s sounds the best, ripping silk. The Toyota 5.7 has a very distinct rumble that I love when you lay into it and haven't quite heard in a V8 before. The Mercedes just roars and sounds American which I love.
BTW V8 sound is subjective. Hearing you call a Chevy V8 bland sounding is crazy to me. I don't think any V8 is bland sounding. Out of all my V8s the LS430s sounds the best, ripping silk. The Toyota 5.7 has a very distinct rumble that I love when you lay into it and haven't quite heard in a V8 before. The Mercedes just roars and sounds American which I love.
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Maybe so. God we went through this same thing with the 200s. They're everywhere here, and yes they only sold like 4k LCs and 5k LXs total per year.
I don't care if you don't believe me but this is getting old. I don't tell people they're imagining things or infer they're lying.
I have said so.many.times. that this is heavy, really really expensive truck/SUV area. People tend to spring for the whole 9 yards with trucks and SUVs, biggest engine and all.
I don't care if you don't believe me but this is getting old. I don't tell people they're imagining things or infer they're lying.
I have said so.many.times. that this is heavy, really really expensive truck/SUV area. People tend to spring for the whole 9 yards with trucks and SUVs, biggest engine and all.
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So just for the record you're saying there's no noticeable difference?
People want to hear V8s in these I think. Escalades and Denalis have very aggressive intake and exhaust notes from the factory. I'd much rather hear a V8 that lets engine noise in than a silent 6. I've never heard a Hemi personally up close but those are supposed to be the best sounding American V8s according to some, I'm familiar with a GM V8 roar which is just about perfect so it must be good lol.
Plus, shoving 510hp into 3.0 liters in a Chrysler, this motor will be a DISASTER reliability wise. That is a crazy stressed engine just from the start as opposed to a V8 that just loafs along relying on the actual pistons for power, not turbo boost.
People want to hear V8s in these I think. Escalades and Denalis have very aggressive intake and exhaust notes from the factory. I'd much rather hear a V8 that lets engine noise in than a silent 6. I've never heard a Hemi personally up close but those are supposed to be the best sounding American V8s according to some, I'm familiar with a GM V8 roar which is just about perfect so it must be good lol.
Plus, shoving 510hp into 3.0 liters in a Chrysler, this motor will be a DISASTER reliability wise. That is a crazy stressed engine just from the start as opposed to a V8 that just loafs along relying on the actual pistons for power, not turbo boost.
I'm not worried about the longevity of this motor honestly. It's been under development for a very, very long time so I feel confident they did their homework. I personally think the Hurricane provided a more luxurious atmosphere than the 6.4L V8 but as an enthusiast I loved the roar of the V8.
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#3657
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Yes. For god's sake. I am done with this topic.
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#3658
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Chevy V8s just sound like a V8 with no tonal changes with RPM or really any coloration at all.
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#3659
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Well you are totally off, the Mercedes M113 was copied off the ford 4.3 to some extent and are unusually similar. No V8s try and sound like a generic Chevy tone since NO ONE really likes a Chevy V8 sound and is why people praise the tone of other engines yet don't really comment on the SBC/LS/LT family that much......
Chevy V8s just sound like a V8 with no tonal changes with RPM or really any coloration at all.
Chevy V8s just sound like a V8 with no tonal changes with RPM or really any coloration at all.
This doesn't sound good?
Are you out of your mind?
Also, the now dead AMG 6.2 was praised for sounding American. They do, I heard PLENTY of them living in Los Angeles when they were current.
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#3660
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that's why it's important to eaaaase into the power and avoid excessive kickdowns lol
or if you're waiting to pull out of a street and merge, manually pull the gear stick back into 2nd so it's already in the right gear when you want the power... then once you're fully underway pop it back into D so it'll upshift like normal
or if you're waiting to pull out of a street and merge, manually pull the gear stick back into 2nd so it's already in the right gear when you want the power... then once you're fully underway pop it back into D so it'll upshift like normal
But yeah it's hard to avoid winding it out through the first couple of gears, it's like MB designed the car to be driven that way every time you take off.
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