General Car Conversation
07-10-23 | 08:26 PM
#5326
I just put 950 miles on a 2022 Nissan Altima I rented with the family as we drove through western Canada. I hadn't been to a Hertz location in a while where I couldn't pick my own car and this was truly my only option. A few thoughts:
- Our model felt wildly under powered, really noticeable in the mountains and when trying to pass someone. I'm sure we had the lowest end engine, 2.5L with 188HP I believe. It was sluggish.
- Seats were not comfortable. We took a 5 hour trip and everyone was complaining at the end.
- It didn't have keyless entry. I really can't understand this on new models. Having to fumble around for the keys, especially when you have things in your hands is truly a pain.
- The doors don't automatically unlock when you go from being in any gear into park. You have to manually unlock them (even double pulling on the door handle won't trigger it to unlock)
- I don't know exactly what kind of gas mileage we got, but I'm certainly glad I didn't have a big SUV there. Gas was $1.80 per liter... which is $7.20 per gallon. Factor in the favorable exchange rate and it is roughly $5.80/gallon for regular. I live in a pricey area for gas, and even here it's around $3.75/gallon for unleaded.
Maybe some of these gripes are addressed in higher end models, but I just found it odd that it lacked a couple of no brainer "features". Really made me appreciate our cars, especially the Tesla when you realize how much tech is poured into that.
- Our model felt wildly under powered, really noticeable in the mountains and when trying to pass someone. I'm sure we had the lowest end engine, 2.5L with 188HP I believe. It was sluggish.
- Seats were not comfortable. We took a 5 hour trip and everyone was complaining at the end.
- It didn't have keyless entry. I really can't understand this on new models. Having to fumble around for the keys, especially when you have things in your hands is truly a pain.
- The doors don't automatically unlock when you go from being in any gear into park. You have to manually unlock them (even double pulling on the door handle won't trigger it to unlock)
- I don't know exactly what kind of gas mileage we got, but I'm certainly glad I didn't have a big SUV there. Gas was $1.80 per liter... which is $7.20 per gallon. Factor in the favorable exchange rate and it is roughly $5.80/gallon for regular. I live in a pricey area for gas, and even here it's around $3.75/gallon for unleaded.
Maybe some of these gripes are addressed in higher end models, but I just found it odd that it lacked a couple of no brainer "features". Really made me appreciate our cars, especially the Tesla when you realize how much tech is poured into that.
the corolla i had was flat AWFUL, inside, outside, and drivetrain. a hyundai tucson was much better, but obviously the slowest trim. i do wonder if altitude played a part in how slow rental cars felt there. also had a chevy traverse one time... it felt pretty great overall.
07-10-23 | 08:37 PM
#5328
Lead Lap
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Maryland
I just put 950 miles on a 2022 Nissan Altima I rented with the family as we drove through western Canada. I hadn't been to a Hertz location in a while where I couldn't pick my own car and this was truly my only option. A few thoughts:
- Our model felt wildly under powered, really noticeable in the mountains and when trying to pass someone. I'm sure we had the lowest end engine, 2.5L with 188HP I believe. It was sluggish.
- Seats were not comfortable. We took a 5 hour trip and everyone was complaining at the end.
- It didn't have keyless entry. I really can't understand this on new models. Having to fumble around for the keys, especially when you have things in your hands is truly a pain.
- The doors don't automatically unlock when you go from being in any gear into park. You have to manually unlock them (even double pulling on the door handle won't trigger it to unlock)
- I don't know exactly what kind of gas mileage we got, but I'm certainly glad I didn't have a big SUV there. Gas was $1.80 per liter... which is $7.20 per gallon. Factor in the favorable exchange rate and it is roughly $5.80/gallon for regular. I live in a pricey area for gas, and even here it's around $3.75/gallon for unleaded.
Maybe some of these gripes are addressed in higher end models, but I just found it odd that it lacked a couple of no brainer "features". Really made me appreciate our cars, especially the Tesla when you realize how much tech is poured into that.
- Our model felt wildly under powered, really noticeable in the mountains and when trying to pass someone. I'm sure we had the lowest end engine, 2.5L with 188HP I believe. It was sluggish.
- Seats were not comfortable. We took a 5 hour trip and everyone was complaining at the end.
- It didn't have keyless entry. I really can't understand this on new models. Having to fumble around for the keys, especially when you have things in your hands is truly a pain.
- The doors don't automatically unlock when you go from being in any gear into park. You have to manually unlock them (even double pulling on the door handle won't trigger it to unlock)
- I don't know exactly what kind of gas mileage we got, but I'm certainly glad I didn't have a big SUV there. Gas was $1.80 per liter... which is $7.20 per gallon. Factor in the favorable exchange rate and it is roughly $5.80/gallon for regular. I live in a pricey area for gas, and even here it's around $3.75/gallon for unleaded.
Maybe some of these gripes are addressed in higher end models, but I just found it odd that it lacked a couple of no brainer "features". Really made me appreciate our cars, especially the Tesla when you realize how much tech is poured into that.
07-10-23 | 08:41 PM
#5329
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From: Maryland
Ha, for my kitchen and bath biz people pay $20-$30k with credit cards because they want the points but also fail to realize it’s baked in the quote anyway so they are just paying for the points anyway. Last time I checked our yearly credit card fees it was around $70k.
07-10-23 | 09:01 PM
#5330
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From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
If one is going to spend the kind of money an Expedition Platinum goes for, though, might as well get a Navigator.
07-10-23 | 09:32 PM
#5331
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From: Maryland
I just keep my keys in whatever car I'm driving and the cars key in my upper right side pocket, you know the small one that is normally never used for anything?
Normally since I'm already carrying enough stuff keys are the least of my concerns, "standard" for me is a carry light, two knives, multi tool on belt, spare mag, on belt left side, and a bobtail 1911.
A tiny key is so light/small it doesn't register but I can understand getting used to not carrying much, when I work I don't have anything other than a light and small knife and I downsize to a small sig to keep away from the cars. Or when I'm doing yard work I only carry the sig and a phone
My issue with keyless is it's too damn easy to get around, look up flipperzero etc and it will be quite eye opening just how easy it is. Mechanical stuff that is high end/security certified is much more resistant to people getting past these days since there is a tool and skill requirement to bypass. Certain locks like Bowely are near impossible short of physically breaking the door down
Normally since I'm already carrying enough stuff keys are the least of my concerns, "standard" for me is a carry light, two knives, multi tool on belt, spare mag, on belt left side, and a bobtail 1911.
A tiny key is so light/small it doesn't register but I can understand getting used to not carrying much, when I work I don't have anything other than a light and small knife and I downsize to a small sig to keep away from the cars. Or when I'm doing yard work I only carry the sig and a phone
My issue with keyless is it's too damn easy to get around, look up flipperzero etc and it will be quite eye opening just how easy it is. Mechanical stuff that is high end/security certified is much more resistant to people getting past these days since there is a tool and skill requirement to bypass. Certain locks like Bowely are near impossible short of physically breaking the door down
If somebody wants to break into my house they’ll just break a window, door lock isn’t stopping them.
07-10-23 | 10:12 PM
#5332
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From: WA
Too big, wife won’t drive it. I actually just watched that lol. In this segment I would get a Tahoe or a Yukon
How can you be worried about keyless entry being easy to hack but not worried about leaving your keys in the car? Do you just leave them wherever you park it?!
If somebody wants to break into my house they’ll just break a window, door lock isn’t stopping them.
How can you be worried about keyless entry being easy to hack but not worried about leaving your keys in the car? Do you just leave them wherever you park it?!
If somebody wants to break into my house they’ll just break a window, door lock isn’t stopping them.
07-10-23 | 10:34 PM
#5333
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From: Ohio
Too big, wife won’t drive it. I actually just watched that lol. In this segment I would get a Tahoe or a Yukon
How can you be worried about keyless entry being easy to hack but not worried about leaving your keys in the car? Do you just leave them wherever you park it?!
If somebody wants to break into my house they’ll just break a window, door lock isn’t stopping them.
How can you be worried about keyless entry being easy to hack but not worried about leaving your keys in the car? Do you just leave them wherever you park it?!
If somebody wants to break into my house they’ll just break a window, door lock isn’t stopping them.
Security film really helps to prevent glass break-ins, most will go for doors since it is less obtrusive and a rake type attack looks to anyone else that you have a key for the place. Combine that with a "service" van and you can get cleaned out without anyone ever suspecting anything
07-11-23 | 06:21 AM
#5334
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steve, maybe an expedition platinum would be good for your fam suv... 85k and yuuge.
https://youtu.be/vDsRnLIfZrw
https://youtu.be/vDsRnLIfZrw
07-11-23 | 07:28 AM
#5335
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From: Knoxville, TN
I know he had to be sweating doing that review... nice and steamy this time of year. I love the styling of the Platinum Expedition. I think if it came down to it I'd still buy a Tahoe or Yukon though. I like how they drive better than a Ford. Although I will say one of my buddies bought a Navigator and I was blown away with that.
07-11-23 | 07:32 AM
#5336
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She wouldn't want to drive the GM models either, I was just saying if I was to buy a full sized BOF SUV I would choose the GM ones.
My cars are in the garage and if the keys are in them I am using the car, I take them inside when I'm not in the car. If I am parking it somewhere shady I put them in a spot that won't be checked. By keys I mean my physical keys not the cars fob etc, the other keys for house/shop/whatever
Security film really helps to prevent glass break-ins, most will go for doors since it is less obtrusive and a rake type attack looks to anyone else that you have a key for the place. Combine that with a "service" van and you can get cleaned out without anyone ever suspecting anything
Security film really helps to prevent glass break-ins, most will go for doors since it is less obtrusive and a rake type attack looks to anyone else that you have a key for the place. Combine that with a "service" van and you can get cleaned out without anyone ever suspecting anything
Like I said, if somebody wants to break into your house, they're going to break into your house. I have cameras, insurance, I don't worry about it.
07-11-23 | 07:40 AM
#5337
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I agree the Fords were better in the past, but not in this current generation GM has really stepped up their game with their big SUVs. The current Expedition doesn't feel as nice nor does it drive as well.
She wouldn't want to drive the GM models either, I was just saying if I was to buy a full sized BOF SUV I would choose the GM ones.
Leaving my cars unlocked and the keys inside doesn't appeal to me lol, I'd rather have my phone be my key, or have a slim key I can put in my wallet like I had for my LS.
Like I said, if somebody wants to break into your house, they're going to break into your house. I have cameras, insurance, I don't worry about it.
She wouldn't want to drive the GM models either, I was just saying if I was to buy a full sized BOF SUV I would choose the GM ones.
Leaving my cars unlocked and the keys inside doesn't appeal to me lol, I'd rather have my phone be my key, or have a slim key I can put in my wallet like I had for my LS.
Like I said, if somebody wants to break into your house, they're going to break into your house. I have cameras, insurance, I don't worry about it.
I personally leave all keys in the vehicles in the garage, that's one of the perks of one.
I will have access to the new Denali this afternoon btw, it's finally getting delivered. I'll drive it around some and report back in my thread.
07-11-23 | 07:44 AM
#5338
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How doesn't it drive as well, more specifically?
I personally leave all keys in the vehicles in the garage, that's one of the perks of one.
I will have access to the new Denali this afternoon btw, it's finally getting delivered. I'll drive it around some and report back in my thread.
I personally leave all keys in the vehicles in the garage, that's one of the perks of one.
I will have access to the new Denali this afternoon btw, it's finally getting delivered. I'll drive it around some and report back in my thread.
People can get into your garage, I have a friend who had both cars stolen out of her garage because she left the door to the garage unlocked and they just got the keys and drove off. I leave my keys on a hook inside but the door to the garage locked.
07-11-23 | 07:59 AM
#5339
I had an Expedition rental in Canada last week and thought it was nice. Interior was nice to be in with decent materials. The powertrain could be smoother and the transmission searched a bit too much for my liking, but overall I got 23MPG driving from Toronto to Niagara and back with 4 adults, 2 kids, and a bunch of suitcases. My main complaint was that the auto hold / brake hold turned on too aggressively.
07-11-23 | 08:37 AM
#5340
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I agree the Fords were better in the past, but not in this current generation GM has really stepped up their game with their big SUVs. The current Expedition doesn't feel as nice nor does it drive as well.
She wouldn't want to drive the GM models either, I was just saying if I was to buy a full sized BOF SUV I would choose the GM ones.
Leaving my cars unlocked and the keys inside doesn't appeal to me lol, I'd rather have my phone be my key, or have a slim key I can put in my wallet like I had for my LS.
Like I said, if somebody wants to break into your house, they're going to break into your house. I have cameras, insurance, I don't worry about it.
She wouldn't want to drive the GM models either, I was just saying if I was to buy a full sized BOF SUV I would choose the GM ones.
Leaving my cars unlocked and the keys inside doesn't appeal to me lol, I'd rather have my phone be my key, or have a slim key I can put in my wallet like I had for my LS.
Like I said, if somebody wants to break into your house, they're going to break into your house. I have cameras, insurance, I don't worry about it.
Someone breaking in here had better be hoping it's when we aren't home or they are dead lol!