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#5731
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I agree. Buick engines are also coarse sounding. And sadly 3 cylinder turbo with just 155hp doesn’t cut it when a 4 banger basic Corolla has 168hp and a RAV4 has 200+. I think the exterior styling of a Buick looks good.
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I think the exterior styling of a Buick looks good.
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Believe me, I went though enough years of that nonsense to know. I owned some of the worst lemons in the buisness....and have done write-ups on them.
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LOL. You have to have build-quality to have the reliability today's Buicks have. Something that is just thrown together on the assembly line by monkeys is not going to have reliability. Things constantly have to be fixed....of they CAN be fixed.
Believe me, I went though enough years of that nonsense to know. I owned some of the worst lemons in the buisness....and have done write-ups on them.
Believe me, I went though enough years of that nonsense to know. I owned some of the worst lemons in the buisness....and have done write-ups on them.
You love the interior quality of old Jags but they had terrible reliability..how do you reconcile that with your logic?
Buick does not make a luxury product, its a nicer end mainstream product similar to a high spec Toyota or low spec Lexus, Hyundai, etc.
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The two are different things. I am not saying that a Buick is built poorly, I said nobody would confuse it for a luxury car and thats true, Material quality is cheap in many places, fit and finish is not great in many places, solidity and quality feel are not on luxury car level...thats just a fact.
You love the interior quality of old Jags but they had terrible reliability..how do you reconcile that with your logic?
You love the interior quality of old Jags but they had terrible reliability..how do you reconcile that with your logic?
Buick does not make a luxury product, its a nicer end mainstream product similar to a high spec Toyota or low spec Lexus, Hyundai, etc.
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Some of the switchgear and quality in modern Lexus cars has gone downhill. Refinement used to be the big selling point in the past, this made up for mediocre power rating and slower performance, modern Lexus sell on different values and attributes that have more to do with a more sporting experience
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Buick, overall, today, is considered a semi-luxury product....although, until recently, they offered a luxury-grade warranty. And I'd rate the old Electra 225 (I owned one) as a full-luxury car. In the 60s, It was, IMO, more comfortable to drive than equivalent Cadillacs. The closest American brand to Buick, today, as a semi-luxo brand, is probably Chrysler Division of Stellantis (300 and Pacifica)...although the Pacifica, as you found out, has had its ups and downs in reliability.
You say a Buick is like a Chrysler, I would agree...I have a Chrysler and nobody would ever confuse if for a luxury car...which is what I said.
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Looks way better and more high end than this:
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LS and LX seat memory controls. Window switches and lock switches are better in LS too.
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I actually much prefer the one unit vs the spaced buttons, personally. I really dont like the button shapes or plastic colors in the LS430
Much cleaner and more modern looking IMO:
Much cleaner and more modern looking IMO:
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All Toyota/Lexus window controls are similar. What I really don't like about the buttons in the 430 is the light gray color.
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