Striker223

Get A 12 cyl if you actually care about smooth, that's the only configuration that also has instant response at low rpm. A 6 is not smooth compared to an 8 and not even in the discussion vs actual luxury products

Striker223

A 4 is "eh" even with a turbo, when you catch it off boost it feels BAD. It's not like catching your TTV8 or mine off boost, those are annoying but 4s are just plain unpleasant

Striker223

4.0 is small lol! Large is 6+

Striker223

The IS350 is a very slow car and the Emria is forced induction and STILL gets outrun by cars 60k cheaper but that's not the point of one of those so it's okay.

The 2GR has many many issues, oil cooler line failure, VVT oil line failure, VTT actuator rattle, timing cover leak etc....I have replaced three of those engines from oil cooler line failure and just caught my mother in laws car before it died from that issue as well. My friend has an ES350 and he usually revs it up to 4500 rpm to get it to feel like his supercharged V8 does at 2200 so it's not at all what I would consider a smooth/powerful engine.

It's adequate, that's it and better than it's contemporary rivals in 2007 and hilariously inferior today.

Striker223

A GOOD turbo 4 is nicer than a "meh" V6 and has better force down low, may not really come alive up top and sustain output but it provides the impression of power for normal driving better.

SW17LS

You drive way harder than I do. It would never be caught off boost, and my wife would be driving it 90% if the time

Margate330

My wife has no idea how many cylinders our car has.

Thought has never crossed her mind. Lol

But I do care and agree, if it's the right engine for the car it's ok.

My Porsche had a Turbo 4 and my Roadster had an inline 6 and I liked them both.

For a full size truck, no thanks, needs to be 350CI or more.

Sodbuster1

I'll stick to actual data for my reliability advice thanks. Consumer Reports and JD power. And having had many in the family with no issues. And I know many of these V6's have well over 200,000 miles. Not inferior, you can say slower. I'll take slower over in the shop any day. I've had faster...much much faster than most. But to get much faster, you need to go mid engined, turbo, supercharged, awd or a combo of these. RWD NA is not as fast, but has it's own unique way of driving that is fun. There is a reason Lexus made the LC 500, GS F, RC F, IS 500, IS 350 this way. Same with Miata.

SW17LS

The main reason why Lexus has stuck to those old engines is they don’t want to develop newer more modern 8 or 6 cyl engines, they’re focused on hybrids and now EVs and we will never see another V8 or V6 from Toyota or Lexus.

Sodbuster1

Incorrect, Lexus used the NA V8 for the way they sound in the LC 500, GS F, RC F, and IS 500. They sound amazing!!! I would know. We have had a GS F and M550i. I know the difference in sound and feel of a AWD turbo V8 vs a NA V8 in a performance vehicle. Do you?

Margate330

Not sure these equate.

I think we need to talk make and model and engine specific to go anywhere near this. Lol

Sodbuster1

Ok, so which car are you saying is more reliable than IS 350? JD Power rates the IS 350 with a score of 92 on Quality and Reliability.

Margate330

Now we're talking what car has a better engine.

If you start a new thread I'll be happy to post. 🚜

bitkahuna

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the lc500 at least (which i have) has sound primarily from intake and exhaust. the engine is actually quite quiet.

obviously if it were turbo'd the car would be quicker but i'm perfectly happy with its 4.4 0-60

Sodbuster1

Sounds like you need to get your revs up Bit. It's pretty quiet at low rpm. We've had the LC 500, GS F, RC F, IS 350 F Sport. The LC 500 exhaust makes it louder, but the engine itself sounds better than the turbo V8's we've had. Most of the reviews also talk about the great sounding noise of these engines vs. turbos. Do you think it would sound the same as a turbo?